Wello/Green...more boats than fish!! [Archive] - Ausfish fishing Australia, Australian Angling Forums

12-06-2007, 07:41 AM

Hi Beefaman, Every dick & harry go to Wello and green to fish because other ppl on this site like to tell the whole world, where exactly they catch fish in Moreton Bay. Guys too much info, place will have no fish left soon. Just because we mention H.S Hybers becon does not mean the fish are swimming right beneath the damn post.

So where do you catch all your fish MIDNIGHT? :P :-X ;)

Mate, i agree with you to a point but isn't that the whole idea of sites like these - to share knowledge and info? Ultimately, you still have to have the necessary skills to catch the fish in the first place so telling someone where you fish doesn't necessarily equate to them filling the creel does it?! I don't see too many posts where people say the exact mark where they catch the fish. It is pretty obvious that in M/Bay most fishing is going to be done around the islands and there isn't that many there that they can remain a secret!

Take Care T

midnight_run

12-06-2007, 09:51 AM

Hi T1, From what I have been seeing over the last 3 months this year the places we fish are becoming more over crowed. Ppl are coming from all over town to fish our local spots most fishermen having boats 5-6 meters well capable of going outside. We had one bloke on here 2 weeks ago thanking all of us because he now fishes the area with great success in his 6 metre outsider and wont go outside to fish for squire anymore because he can catch just as many in the bay, really whats the point of owning all that boat then?????

novice23

12-06-2007, 10:23 AM

Not sure where you're going with this one midnight... I too get frustrated by crowds and probably understand where you're coming from to a degree- however i wouldn't be blaming the info on this site for the crowds. If you're a good fisherman you should still be able to catch fish on a peice of turf away from the crowds... that is unless you have a tiny boat and can't safely explore the bay- perhaps this explains the ill feeling towards bigger boats fishing in close. With the price of petrol the way it is I'd be fishing more in the bay then outside in a boat that size.

If it was the fishing reports that were to blame for the location of these boats...why weren't any fish caught?? Sound's like a lot of people were in the wrong place...for the wrong reasons.... including YOU! Find some new territory away from the crowds...you'll catch more fish and have less to whinge about!

Pistol_P

12-06-2007, 10:42 AM

So where do you catch all your fish MIDNIGHT? :P :-X ;)

Mate, i agree with you to a point but isn't that the whole idea of sites like these - to share knowledge and info? Ultimately, you still have to have the necessary skills to catch the fish in the first place so telling someone where you fish doesn't necessarily equate to them filling the creel does it?! I don't see too many posts where people say the exact mark where they catch the fish. It is pretty obvious that in M/Bay most fishing is going to be done around the islands and there isn't that many there that they can remain a secret!

Take Care T

Hey T

I agree with you also to a point T......I love getting on here and sharing reports and photos etc.....However there are many people on these sites that just feed off the info (and dont contribute) and then you end up "$$hitting in your own nest" and the places get overcrowded.Then you get peolpe who rape the grounds of fish.
I for one try never to name exact locations as I believe that is part of it all....Doing the research and finding spots that produce fish then having the skill to catch fish....If I catch fish here in the Noosa River I think by me saying I caught them in the "Noosa River" thats enough.I dont see why peolpe name exact locations.::)

Pete

alleycat

12-06-2007, 11:27 AM

I release most of what i catch especially the bigger snapper over 50 cm and i get a few jibes from guys on here for doing it but i really do believe we are headed for disaster at the current rate, so many more fishing using the latest gear and plastics ect which returns more fish captured, the bay only has so much broken bottom that suits reef fish and these fish take years to get to that size, it wouldnt surprise me to see much of the bay closed down to fishing, i went to green today and so did 7 other boats, and this was a weekday!!, i believe we should be lobbying govt to make more habitat for reef fish by dropping say building rubble and rocks over the broad area from the mouth of the river to mud island, this would hugely increase the reef habitat for snapper ect and take pressure of the islands,,, your thoughts??.

charleville

12-06-2007, 12:05 PM

i believe we should be lobbying govt to make more habitat for reef fish by dropping say building rubble and rocks over the broad area from the mouth of the river to mud island, this would hugely increase the reef habitat for snapper ect and take pressure of the islands,,, your thoughts??.

Another artificial reef somewhere would be good - especially if it were close in for the guys with little boats - but they need to put it somewhere where it does not interfere with the livelihood of the trawlers.

BTW, Mud Island has a 10km circumference so if people say that they catch fish there, that is an awful lot of water to explore. It is just unfortunate that people tend to congregate around certain spots.

It is not this website that is necessarily to blame for giving out information about good locations. Isn't that what every fishing magazine is about? Certainly the local ones are.

Same as for the fishing expos at the various boat shows. Indeed, the only reason that I attend most of them. No fishing expo, no attendance by Charlie. Ony have ever been to one Sanctuary Cove boat show accordingly - they don't have fishing expos there.

I have no idea what the halcyon days of fishing were like in Moreton Bay but I am not complaining about it in 2007. It seems to me that there are plenty of fish and plenty of places to find them - but I sure have appreciated the start-up help that people on this website have given me.

Once you make a start your confidence gets you the rest of the way.

Look at Great White. by example. I recall his bemoaning on this site last year about how after several bay trips he still had to get his first squire. In his last report he bagged out. A fisher just needs a bit of a guiding hand at the start of their hobby and then they find that the Bay has plenty of nice fish.

12-06-2007, 12:21 PM

MIDNIGHT - i don't believe the size of the boat should necessarily mean you should fish certain areas... My best mate has a 7m plate alloy centre cab and i can't begin to tell you how much more comfy it is on an overnighter as opposed to my crappy little 4.5 centre console.

NOVICE - 2nd that!

PISTOL - Pete, generally most will give location similiar to you ie Wello (but where at wello?). It's a fair bit of turf to cover still isn't it... As i mentioned previously, how many times have you seen a GPS mark published on here for a certain spot? It's a case of follow the crowds i think out there! I recall many trips at Fraser where we'd find our own gutters away from the crowd only to have a few spot us (even as inconspicuous as you try to be on a open beach). Go back the next day and it's busier than a brothel on a 2 for 1 evening!

ALLEY - creating more reef is a top idea and as i've said in the past, i agree with your conservation actions but i believe that the smaller fish should be going back and the bigger ones be taken - if we take all the sub 60 fish, then none will grow to become the bigger fish that you release... That makes more sense to me but everyone has their own theory - and i respect that totally!

CHARLIE, Bruce, agree with your sentiments...

Take Care T

Tinn

12-06-2007, 12:50 PM

Not to worry Beefa I am sure midnight can put you on to a few ;)

Sometimes they just aren't hungry Beefa better luck next trip

alleycat

12-06-2007, 12:51 PM

Another artificial reef somewhere would be good - especially if it were close in for the guys with little boats - but they need to put it somewhere where it does not interfere with the livelihood of the trawlers.

fish.

Hi charlieville, mate the trawlers?, well i would rather see the govt buy out the licences of a good percentage of them, look boys how much money do we send the govts way with everything we spend regarding fishing?, the jobs it creates? and we get what in return?, how many new boat ramps in brisbane in last 20 years? or extra parking spots?, i can think of 1 new ramp and thats on logan river under highway, ok if you want some mud cakes, i would love to see rubble and rocks dumped in a 500-1000 metre strip from mouth of river to western side of mud, WOW its called giving something back to the people who fork out the money and it keeps the green happy i hope, otherwise i can see closeures for bay island reefs in near future, can anybody tell me what govt department i would promote this idea to?.

Pistol_P

12-06-2007, 01:14 PM

Its not in the spirit of the chatboard to mislead in reports, its also against the rules when we joined. the reports should be accurate or not posted.

my thoughts

No one said anything about being misleading:-/
You can still give an accurate report without the exact location.::)

Pete

charleville

12-06-2007, 03:25 PM

Hi charlieville, mate the trawlers?,

Alleycat, I would not disagree with your comments about the need by governments to plough some money back into recreational fishing facilities but my comment about the trawlers is that they do provide a valuable service to the general public - otherwise we will all be eating Vietnamese catfish and prawns from whoknowswhere.

Also, to be honest, they have never done me any harm when I have been on the water so I shall reciprocate.

Deiter

12-06-2007, 06:57 PM

Not sure if i should be posting this or not, but i gotta say i agree with Midnight and Pistol on this one. The reason is because i live close to and normally launch at Wello Pt, and i have noticed a sudden increase in boat traffic around the reef up to the Huybers in the past 12 months.

Deadset, there are some whose reports only ever come from the one spot, and let's be honest, someone mentioned that saying you caught fish at "wello" is vague as it could be anywhere around there. Bulldust. There is maybe 100m of decent reef that consistently produces fish.

As has been previously mentioned, you guys are sh!tting in your own nest. Broaden your horizons a bit or learn to be a bit more discreet, otherwise you won't be able to pull a fish from there soon. Not coz, they won't be there, just coz it's hard to set up a drift through a maze of tinnies. Just my opinion. Also, Tinn, i hope that remark was not intended with the sarcastic malice it came across as. I don't know what you have to gain by being a smart@ss.

As far as creating more reef in close goes, ithink it is a great idea. Somewhere between Green/ St helena and the Hope Banks ( ithink that's right, the beacon a couple of km's east of Green????). Could only be a good thing. Surely the trawlers can avoid a little patch of rubble.

cheers, and here's hoping we can all still pull fish from our chosen areas in 5 years time, let alone 20.

Damo

Poodroo

12-06-2007, 07:08 PM

I had to laugh when I was on my return journey back to Manly yesterday. I too noticed how many boats were out there and how many boats were still going out when I was heading back but one of the boats had a little Maltese terrier on board putting truth to the saying about "Every man and his dog" were out there. :P

Poodroo

Vic1

12-06-2007, 07:26 PM

I couldn't agree with Dieter more........I don't think that there is any doubt there are more boats around Wello / Green than there were a few years ago. Why??? I think there is a combination of reasons, increased population of SE QLD, vastly improved angling techniques AND websites like this one talking up certain areas....

I shudder to think what these shallow reefs are going to be like in 5-10 years with many people still in full hunter / gatherer mode who feel the need to "bag out" when the opportunity presents. To me this sort of short sited behaviour will guarantee a reduction of the catch (and enjoyment) of these areas in years to come.

Also for the guys who thinks it takes a great deal of skill to catch the squire in these locations (currently), guys it's not rocket science..........

Seahorse

12-06-2007, 07:27 PM

Fish spots according to size of ur boat. Now iam sure that would take off. Hate to be the poor bloke who has to police it. Water police with tape measures. That will be novel.

alleycat

12-06-2007, 07:29 PM

last week i posted on an early morning trip to green and put up a photo of 2 workmates that were out the same morning, now these guys have a 17Ft centre console and were going out through seaway every week midweek and were catching nothing, 1000$ worth of sounder and all the gear and there was just no fish on gold coast reefs to catch yet once fish were plentifull on these grounds, now these same fellas fish the bay after i showed them the ropes and are doing well, but how long can we keep cranking in fish when it takes a snapper 15 years to get to 50cm i think, anyway we either need more habitat or smaller bag limits or they will close off large parts of the bay, im all for more habitat myself and maybe smaller bag limits if thats what we need.

Vic1

12-06-2007, 07:33 PM

Smaller bag limits, or lift the min size to 40cm

I can hear the howls already.......:)

webby

12-06-2007, 08:03 PM

Seahorse

12-06-2007, 08:21 PM

hey there webby. U r right brian. Its good to explore. Some people have boats that can only fish certain areas then move on to bigger boats and venture further as i have done, but for someone to tell me i should fish there and not here, u know me to well to know what i would say.
As i think it was T1 said, just because people say that fish are being caught in certain areas, u must have the knowledge to catch those fish.
Take for instance mud island. shitload of water around it.
Also with the cost of fuel, who can afford to travel miles and miles to find new fishing grounds.
By time fuel boat, buy bait, tackle, its not a cheap day, so nice to get few fish to offset costs.
Maybe there should be a limit on boat sales. ha ha
Anyway thats my 20cents worth. Happy fishing

bayfisher

12-06-2007, 08:31 PM

As has been previously mentioned, you guys are sh!tting in your own nest. Broaden your horizons a bit or learn to be a bit more discreet, otherwise you won't be able to pull a fish from there soon. Not coz, they won't be there, just coz it's hard to set up a drift through a maze of tinnies.

That’s a bit rough, Wello and Green are far from secret spot x's, in fact secret spot xs in the southern bay are few and far between. Yes these places can be a maze of boats as can many others like mud and harries. From what I can see there are 5 or so reports from Ausfish member for those places over the weekend, so that might explain why 5 or so boats where out there but what explains the other 50? I highly doubt these boards are directly responsible for much of an increase in those areas or any areas like mud etc etc. Brisbane and SE Queensland are growing at a phenomenal rate and many people come up here to enjoy the lifestyle, which too many seems to also include fishing boating etc.

Cheers Chris

Great White

12-06-2007, 08:34 PM

Fishing is a sport, its the art of exploring and learning ones adversities, and if you've learnt one section of the bay, move on.
But too many seem to treat this sport as a catch as many as you can each trip, and repeately hit the same area where they at least no they can reap the rewards and brag.
IF you want to improve your skills you wont do it by not being game or in the exploration mind to move elsewhere.
The bays a big place and there are a merried of places to explore, and with a little nouse and some home work, you may and will be able to increase these 40-50cm range mindsets people get into.
Plus there's a diverse range of species out there.
Yes boat size, weather and distances does have a undermining effect on some not to move further afield.
But even the vast expanse of the bottom section of the bay still has a multitude of places to explore.
I fished green/wello many years ago and i'd say its been well over 4 years since i've been back there.
Just my 5 cents worth.
regards

I agree with what you are saying Webby. I can count the number of squire I have caught on 2 hands. For me its about getting some confidence up and getting a feel for catching squire and a bit of fresh fish.

I do not feel very confident to venture out into the bay at night much past Wello & Green. I would love to fish more of mud but every trip I have gone out there I have never caught a legal fish. Wello is the cloest ramp to our house so it is naturally a first choice for me when the weather is not flash.

I will look to move around more and find some spot of my own some day soon :)
Most of the people I have fished with in recent times have fished wello so I have done the same. Will make it a point for the R2M to fish out of my comfort zone ;D

some_fool

12-06-2007, 08:35 PM

In reply to the guys arguing that information on this website is obtrusive or too helpful to other anglers.................lets just remember that this is just another reporting tool aka a fishing magazine, a tackle shop operator, a fishing video or dvd, a helpful hint from a mate or maybe even as grassroots as your dad teaching you how to fish.................

I have used this website for fishing new areas, i have also posted areas around Mud I fish and explored many areas around the bay, and let guys at my work know about areas i fish, lures i use and conditions i prefer.

And thats all part of my fishing experiene, i enjoy taking my nephews, mates, brothers out and watching them catch a snapper on a plastic as much as i do catching a snapper on a plastic. That advice i pass on to them may not always work, is not as exact as it could be, but it is helpful.......and that is something people have shown to me in the past.

my fifty cents

Cheers
Michael

Greg P

12-06-2007, 08:40 PM

You Wello/Mud/Green guys may not have a choice soon when they rezone the Bay, its possible they may lock some of those areas up or at least restrict them - who knows yet ::)

alleycat

12-06-2007, 08:41 PM

By time fuel boat, buy bait, tackle, its not a cheap day, so nice to get few fish to offset costs.
Maybe there should be a limit on boat sales. ha ha
Anyway thats my 20cents worth. Happy fishing

Yeah by all means if you want a few to eat but just remember why you fish!!! and look at the millions of people who pay mega bucks to club a little white golf ball and they never get to eat it!! know what i mean?, i hope more fish with lighter top quallity gear and just enjoy the thrill of the catch, my favourite fish is sealord dory in crumbs, i tell you it would be hard to beat. yummmmmmm!!!

Deiter

12-06-2007, 08:53 PM

First off , no arguement that wello/Green are about as far from secret as you can get. And Great White, mate, my points were definately not directed at the likes of yourself who are still finding their feet and growing their confidence. Its all part of the learning experience.
I do, however, agree with what Webby has said and find it funny that their are a few guys who seem to have been fishing Wello for years, catch good fish and then proceed to want to tell the world about it. That doesn't make sense to me. The bay doesn't stop at the Huybers. 50 - 60 cm squire are good fish, but there a lot better out there if you have the patience. 10 years ago it was possible to catch 5-6kg fish in the wello/green area on a regular basis if you knew what you were doing. Green still produces occasionally, but i think you would struggle to find this class at fish with any regularity off Wello now. I think this has a lot to do with boat traffic. Whether the guys sitting there are catching fish or not, they will be influencing the fish in aother ways, and the big boys move away at the first clatter of an anchor chain or dropped sinker on the tinnie floor. Don't ask me exactly why. Just my experiences.

Damo

fez

12-06-2007, 09:00 PM

Can't see the sense in saying that just because you have a "BIG" boat ;D that you can't fish these area's, hell my cars capable of driving to Melbourne but just because it's capable doesn't mean that I will drive it there, same with a boat, just 'because it is capable of going "outside" doesn't mean that I have to go there.;)

By the way never been to Mud, Green or Wello, happy to stick to the reefs around Redcliffe, when I have mastered fishing this area I will move to another (which could be a while given my current strike rate:-/ ), I enjoy a feed of fresh fish but only take what we can eat in one sitting (don't particually like frozen fillets). Doesn't mean that I don't go and fish other areas (such as Curtain, and Shallow Tempest) but enjoy motoring 5 mins from the ramp and know I am in the game.

More rubble areas in the bay, great idea, we need it with the ever increasing population in SEQ.

Do websites such as these make that great an impact on fishing pressures in these areas??? Everything contributes - magazines, websites, boat yards, word of mouth, etc but the biggest pressure comes from a greater population IMO

My thoughts.

Cheers,
Fez

midnight_run

12-06-2007, 10:06 PM

Some good points have been expressed and after all whats better than a debate in a public forum, however, the key message in today's society is sustainablitiy for the future. With the current rate of fishing (like the water crisis and urban development) there is going to be nothing left for my kids to catch in the future. My personal experience comes from many sources; friends, Dad my local Wellington Point Marine expert and most of all my own willingness and desire to know that I have a spot that no one else knows about. I want to be able to see my kid's faces light up with excitement just like mine did the first big fish i got. I don't go and brag to other people about what I got, where I got it and exactly with what I got it with, because then it is not going to be my personal experience anymore. To all the people who think that their fishing adventure was unique because you bagged out, guess how many other people do that without telling everyone about it! It isn't that special you know. (You also neeed to remember the kid at school with all the lollies, after he shared them all out nobody wanted to be his friend anymore cos they got what they wanted)

Just another perspective :)

beefaman

12-06-2007, 10:24 PM

That will be my last report, holy sh!t :o

Deiter

12-06-2007, 11:04 PM

That will be my last report, holy sh!t :o

LOL;D , See what you started!!!!!;)

Great White

12-06-2007, 11:17 PM

Bloody Hell you could $HIT gold nuggets and some people would complain ;D ;D ;D LOL

It's a shame I am made to feel guilty about catching a few fish at Wello :-[ :-[ :-[ and sharing a happy experience on my first bag out :-X :-X :-X even though comments are not directly in my post >:(

PinHead

13-06-2007, 06:55 AM

Deiter

13-06-2007, 07:03 AM

Great White, i don't think anyone is bagging you here. Certainly not me. If you read back carefully i think you should see that.

Pinhead, you would have to go to New Zealand to make us happy.;)

13-06-2007, 08:18 AM

Holy sh%t batman! I've tried to resist the temptation to respond but this post has got the better of me! NO offence is intended to anyone on this post but i think some people need to be a bit more open minded and not be so quick to make hasty judgements!

Yes! exploring is a TOP idea - if you have the means! I was restricted to land based fishing for years until i was finally able to get myself set up with a rig. Now my rig is an 'old' one that has let me down on occasions. Hence, my confidence at night is minimal to say the least and the close isles like Wello/Green offer an ideal spot to get out there and do what i love to do most without being too worried about being stranded far from shore! There are a lot of people with small vessels that are more suited to these areas and hence the volume that is there! I'd love to go out further and i will once i have a newer reliable rig! Think about this! What about all those that do a regular pilgramage to Fraser every year and have for years? Are they any better or worse than those who fish a particular spot regularly?

As for people bragging about bagging out, contrary to some opinions, it doesn't happen often and some (within their rights) are very happy to report this! Isn't this what this site is all about? When i joined this site over a year ago, fellow AF'ers were very warming to these people and shared their joy! Now it appears that if you report a bagout, you should and will be ostracised :-X :'( ! Maybe if you've got nothing nice to say, don't say it!! The 'Reports' section is for exactly that! FISHING REPORTS! And if that means reporting a bagout, because that's what happened, then that's what its there for! Perhaps it should be renamed SANITISED REPORTS? I know a few fellow AF'ers who used to post regularly but now don't for fear of being 'bashed'! Shame really! I can just see 'attractive' reports going missing sooner rather than later because quite frankly, why would one want to subject themselves to this?!

As for those who don’t believe it still takes a bit of knowledge, nous and skill to catch fish, well all I can say is that you guys must be deadest guru’s! Because you can sit at a ramp and watch the amount of people coming in fishless and then spot someone who knows what they are doing and you’ll see that they’ve managed to pull fish out when no-one else has! That to me requires knowledge, nous and skill! Not everyone that goes to Wello/Green/Mud comes back with a regular feed of fish!

As for the argument about it being a sport, well some are within their rights to do so while others are within their rights to catch a feed within the legal set limits! I for one refuse to buy fish from the shops and will only eat fish that I have caught! And I will continue to do so, so long as the law permits me to! If that is offensive to people, then stiff! I am not doing anything illegal! In fact, I have my own minimum’s, as GW and TINN will attest to. I don’t subscribe to the golf ball analogy either – I play golf for exercise – I fish to eat! It’s like saying I have a lounge suite to sit on but I don’t crap on it! Well of course i don't, that's why i have a toilet... Apples with apples!

As for Snapper size/age (for info):

6 years: 27-47 cm, average 42 cm
7 years: 33-56 cm, average 49 cm
8 years: 46-63 cm, average 54 cm
10 years: 46-66 cm, average 57 cm
12 years: 52-71 cm, average 61 cm

Again, as I stated earlier, I am not intending to offend anyone and hope I haven’t but perhaps it’s that everyone thinks differently as everyone is entitled to – but we shouldn’t judge, bag and ostracise because we don’t agree with someone’s opinion or methods (unless completely immoral or illegal of course)…

Take Care T

Tinn

13-06-2007, 09:09 AM

Dieter my friend buddy old pal that is a bit harsh given that i am not a malicous person and never have been as those who know me will vouch for! Yes i was trying to be funny and I think I am and if you misread that, that is your problem - i'm sure if Midnight viewed it as 'malicous sarcasm' he would take it up with me personally! So don't label me when you don't know me! You're a Gold member so i assume you will have seen enough of my posts to know that i am NOT sarcastically malicous, lighten up my friend and get out there and catch a fish or 2 so I have something good to say about you.

I will have to agree with T1 a year ago things where much friendlier on Aus fish now it seems that if you catch to many fish your bad if you give advice that is a big no no if you tell people where you caught them then that is also a no no and the list goes on. I thought we were meant to share valueble info on this site

I think I will stick to the old favourite song they say why don't you go to Mud and I said No No No, Why don't you tell us where you got them and I said no no no, Share some info with me please and I said no no no. Post up your results for others to read I said no no no. It will only be photos from now on and I said yes yes yes ;D

Deiter

13-06-2007, 09:53 AM

Yup, that's right Sunshine,don't know you from a bar of soap. Only ever seen a few of your posts in the reports section. But i do know something. You were trying to be funny alright. But at the expense of another af member. I'd bet my left nut that we wouldn't have heard boo out of you unless your old mate T1 hadn't already posted a reply. You'd be the little kid in the school yard who'd stand back and watch a kid get beatup, then run in from behind and throw a rotten apple at him. Don't bullshit me sunshine, old buddy, old pal.
Now, go finish your fruit loops and be a good boy today.:D

alleycat

13-06-2007, 09:58 AM

As for the argument about it being a sport, well some are within their rights to do so while others are within their rights to catch a feed within the legal set limits! I for one refuse to buy fish from the shops and will only eat fish that I have caught! And I will continue to do so, so long as the law permits me to! If that is offensive to people, then stiff! I am not doing anything illegal! In fact, I have my own minimum’s,
Take Care T

No offence i'ntended but shooting passenger pidgeons and elephants was a sport as well, but was unsustainable at the rate they shot them, i honestly feel the way we haul snapper out of the bay is unsustainable at current rates conscidering the amount of sutable habitat they have.

OB1

13-06-2007, 10:06 AM

Everyone should take a step back here and not take things so personally. Nearly all on this site would agree that the underlying issue is keeping our fishing areas sustainable for the future. We are the ones that are in a position to do something about this. How many fish do you need for a feed? Two fish at say 40 cm would feed a whole family - if there's 2 people fishing you could take 4 and feed both families.

Bag limits, miminum sizes - these are the things we should be embracing - it doesn't stop you catching and enjoying a fish that is 38cm on light gear, or catching 5 fish over 50cm and taking photos. Slot limits on flathead have been hugely successful with far more large fish being caught in the last few years - maybe that's another consideration.

The general feeling amongst the posts is that our fishing areas may be fished out - it doesn't matter how this feeling manifests itself. But we need to be the ones to take responsibility to ensure it doesn't happen - whether that is a self imposed bag limit/size or lobbying the government to take action.

Cheers,

Ollie

mickstar001

13-06-2007, 10:10 AM

Mmm interesting thread to say the least. Getting a little bitchy, we are certainly passionate people here on af. I think i may go fish St Helina on Friday.

Mickstar

Tinn

13-06-2007, 10:24 AM

alleycat

13-06-2007, 10:35 AM

I thought this was a fishing web site but I am wrong.

Dieter: Looks Like you would have lost your left nut and I like weet bix not fruit loops :P

So much crying going on I think I will have to join in the crying :'( :'( :'( :'(

Come on tin!! big smile mate!! there is a bit of feeling in this debate and its not intended to offend the good fellas like yourself.;)

13-06-2007, 10:48 AM

ALLEY, i agree with you about sustainable habitats - i don't see any reason why more artificial reefs can't be created in the bay, but then i guess you'd have the tree huggers up in arms about introducing pollution to the bay! You can't win but i'd certainly support your idea if you decided to take it further!

Gee TINN, so it was you all those years throwing those apples laced with fruitloops at my sparring partners...:P :P :P Funny stuff DIETER but lighten up a little man! TINN is one of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet and he's never offended anyone... It's a real pity people don't have a sense of humour anymore...

Take Care T

PinHead

13-06-2007, 10:51 AM

no wonder I rarely see a boat with an Ausfish sticker on it down the Pin...all must be at Wello etc..I might have to start going there.

stark

13-06-2007, 12:07 PM

I can drop my hook anywhere in the bay & three or more boats will side-up to my spot. Reporting locations makes little difference.

The comments made are such as I for one am not interested in further posting of catches and locations. The next nobby, longtail or any other catch shall be held as a closely guarded secret!!

Spot X indeed.

John

beefaman

13-06-2007, 12:39 PM

PinHead

13-06-2007, 03:08 PM

I don't think putting a report on here influences anyone at all...forget the knockers..that is their problem.

charleville

13-06-2007, 03:46 PM

I think i may go fish St Helina on Friday.

You must tell us where at St Helena. ;D ;D ;D I only ever seem to catch Wobbiegongs there. ;D ;D ;D

I don't think putting a report on here influences anyone at all...forget the knockers..that is their problem.

Hahaha!! ;D Now lets be pragmatic. If you live in Brisbane, where are you going to fish in winter in a boat without driving down to the "Pin and doing battle with the gin-soaked Sunday drivers driving the big cruisers around there? Most likely it will be somewhere with structure under the water. That means it can only be Wello, Peel, Green, St Helena, Mud or the Redcliffe reefs plus a few might fish Tingalpa Creek or the Pine River. So where else will people say that they have been fishing? I am struggling to understand the heat in this discussion. Normally at this time of year, the heat is all about who is going to win the next State-of-Origin.

I for one, love to read the stories of people having success with their fishing and seeing the pictures and would hate to see people withdraw from that.

I reckon that the massive growth in the numbers of boats fishing these places has more to do with the number of very affordable seaworthy boats being sold now. After all, we are not exactly short of boat shows and dealer promotional weekends in this part of the world extolling the virtues of boat ownership. I drove down to Wello on Monday arvo just for a drive with Mrs Charleville and I was gobstruck at the number of boat trailers in the car park near the ramp. Likewise, it was the same at the normally empty South Manly ramp carpark. More boat sales = more boats on the water, especially on nice weekends like the last one.

Now there are a few secret spots in the Bay, more often than not around a bit of structure like a relatively unknown shipwreck or two but you tend to not hear about those on this site, other than seeing the pictures. As they say, fishermen are not necessarily boastful but no fisherman who has caught a big fish will ever carry it home via a deserted laneway. ;D

It is funny though that I have found myself just drifting around in no particular place in the middle of the Bay at times doing the most unscientific exploring and then have one or two boats pull up right beside me and cast out. Hahaha! Silly buggers! ;D ;D ;D I don't think that it matters what people write here. People will follow anyone anywhere. ;D

PinHead

13-06-2007, 03:58 PM

Bruce..I live in Brisbane and have never fished at Wello or Green...never been interested in that area. If people are fishing legally and not breaking any laws regarding boats or catches then who really cares..those that don't like it either live with it or give up fishing..I still maintain that reports on here do not influence people as to places to fish..if so then I doubt it would make a difference to their catch rates as it is not always as simple as tossing a line in the water.
I enjoy bream fishing in wintewr and travel to Caloundra often during winter...I have even put the exact locations where I fish there on here but there does not appear to be an onslaught of people fishing there. For those on the northside it is quicker to go there than to Wello.

Scalem

13-06-2007, 07:17 PM

And that is exactly what I am talking about Stark.

I wont be posting a report on here again, not helping anyone out, not giving any advise.

I know I can catch fish, at a multitude of locations as well, so it doesnt bother me. There are fish all over the bay, but Wello is close to home, not too far to go in a 4m tinny, and close enough to not get into too much trouble. I will fish there again, and catch fish, but noone on here will hear about it. Pretty simple.

Beefaman,

I for one want to encourage you, and it will be a shame not to see you post when you have a good day at wello. You remember that only 12 months ago, I was getting encouraging messages from you and several others who knew Wello better than me. Until 12 months ago I had not ever fished Wello, always drawn to the wider bay areas like Mud, the 4 beacons and Harries which was my training ground on Plastics. Wello suited me better for financial reasons and much closer than any of my regular spots, So I have "had a ball" getting to understand wello, but in that short time I have attracted my share of "knockers" who ask questions about whether I know any other places to fish other than wello. Whether those comments are in jest or not, you can't please everybody, right or wrong?

So the snapshot of the future is that USER WILL PAY, and while we think that setting up new artificial reefs is the answer, there is a cost associated with it, and IMO it won't be too long before we will all be paying permits similar to what we have in place for some freshwater impoundments and what exists in NSW. Many of you know I have stated the obvious here. The fact is, there's only a few known spots to fish, and there's more and more boat registrations every year. Do the maths.... so we blame AF members for posting the results of a good day?? Scape goating if you ask me, but personally, the boat is fixed, the time has come to leave the crowds and find my own spot X to keep secret for a while. That's the challenge of fishing!!

But thanks Beefa for your help when I asked you 12 months ago!!

Cheers

Scalem

charleville

13-06-2007, 07:21 PM

Yep - I agree with you Greg. My point though is simply that there are a limited number of geographically named places to fish within 100 km either side of home and if you are a Moreton Bay fisho, then the names of those handful of places are Wello, Green, Mud etc.

Where you fish within those geographical place names, well that is another story.

I can't see much value in beating up the enthusiastic guys who give colour to this web site by exuberantly describing their success at Wello or anywhere else.

BTW, I have never fished Wello either but congratulate the guys who have success there. :)

Anyway, too much heat in this discussion for an old lazeabout like me. 'Tis time for me to honour a long time habit and put on my Qld jersey in readiness to watch the game on TV.

I have watched it in person at the Sydney ground and I have to report that it is a bloody cold place to be watching a State-of-origin match. The arena is so big and the icy wind just rips into ya. Better to watch it on TV.

alleycat

13-06-2007, 09:08 PM

Hey fellas i know none of you like confrontation but perhaps in 3 years if the average fisho struggles for 1 legal squire then perhaps you might see that the horse has long bolted.

charleville

13-06-2007, 09:17 PM

Hey fellas i know none of you like confrontation but perhaps in 3 years if the average fisho struggles for 1 legal squire then perhaps you might see that the horse has long bolted.

Sorry mate. That cannot possibly be the case. No one is more average than me and I have no trouble catching squire. I am a bait fisho - usually unweighted pilchards. I also find lots of spots simply by drifting.

Adamy

13-06-2007, 10:38 PM

Wow!!! It funny how a seemingly innocent post about not catching a few fish has bought out the emotions....

Secret spot X's, bag limits, new arty grounds and all that aside, I think its a real shame when people get bagged out for bagging out in this case not bagging out - not even getting a decent feed. (although I'm sure no-one was actually bagging out Beefa) anyway enuff of the bagging out theme....

From my perspective, I have learned a great deal from fellow AFers. Like T1 I was land based till little over a year or so ago, then finally got my own boat. Up till then I had ever only caught 1 squire in my other 37-38 years on the planet - so I dont think the few fish I have taken since then have significantly impacted on fish stocks. (fish for sport or for a feed - to each his own - as long as its legal) T... Crap on your couch - thats funny stuff!!:P

Anyway from reading the reports and advice provided freely from many of the guys on this site, I learned quite a lot - guys like Beefa, T1, Scalem, Aquarius, Charleville (even though he's a stink man) and Foggy just to name a few - over time I have been fishing with quite a few of them and learned even more (thanks guys!!):thumbsup: These days I can even catch a fish or three if I really try hard enough.

As the information has flowed freely from these guys to me, I have likewise tried to help other fellow AFers who have struggled to find a fish - I like Bruce remember cheering GW on as he tried to catch his first legal squire on Placcies and I have often freely talked about where I have fished - what I used and even some of the techniques I have trialled - I dont know if its helped anyone - I certainly hope so! And like T says - it doesnt matter how many people are there - they still have to actually pull the fish from the water. Anyway no one here has a monopoly on any certain fishing spot x - its all crown water - people can fish where they like (within limits) - Yes its inconvenient trying to fish a crowded place - but its not mine - I dont own it so I cant be too upset if I have to share.

Anyway - the point is - I think its a shame that people like Beefa (and a few others who I have talked to) will now be too worried to post a report in case they cop a bagging... this is a reports section and by bagging our fellow Afers - we only detract from the value that this site provides - we dont have to agree with everything anyone says - and I have certainly had my stouches - but there are a few good guys that used to be here who arent anymore cause they copped one bagging too many. By the way - I've met Tinn and know hes a good guy and was just being funny - no harm intended... I also have been caught without my funnybone on this site.... but so far keep coming back.

I personally think some of these new guys should spend some time building relationships with fellow Afers before ripping into them - not pointing at anyone in particular but it seems to be happening a bit in the last few months.

If we dont watch ourselves we risk losing some real experience from these boards - no one will want to share anything and thats bad news for everyone. We have already lost quite a few (I can name them, but I wont)... lets not lose any more!!

My 3 and a half Cents,

Adam

Far side

14-06-2007, 06:37 AM

Got to have a go in this one

Yes fished wello and mud as a result of reading reports on these forums
Yes have gone out and caught no keepers at different times and tides and other times caught a feed
But you dont need this forum to locate positions for fishing you just cruise out and see where the boats are. Make a mental note "I will give that a try one day"
Dont bother posting reports because I usually cat 2 fish and thats enough for a feed. But exploring the bay and finding other places does get results there are features all over in places you wouldn't expect.
I have an offshore size boat but dont want to go outside all the time weather etc so I fish the bay + sometimes fish alone and when doing this the bay is safer.

In terms of bagout I would rather catch 2 good fish on light fibre rods it more of a challenge plus be able to come back and fish again

Dont usually post reports because I didn't think anyone would want to know about 2 fish ---- maybe I should start

straddie

14-06-2007, 10:30 AM

A little perspective,

ausfish.com.au Most users ever on-line at once was 574, 12-06-2007 at 08:14 PM Threads: 59,031, Posts: 542,909, Members: 19,340

What percentage of members gave you a hard enough time that people aren't going to post reports anymore? :D

Chrome Dome

14-06-2007, 12:22 PM

14-06-2007, 12:46 PM

I'm with Midnight - bloody sick of reports titled "Wello fires again" "Wello still producing" "Wello produces again" (and same for Green and Mud) etc (yes you offenders know who you are!). No wonder the fishing gets tougher - you mongrels are on a mission to see the place have boats descend like locusts.

This may be heresy, but I think the fishing pressures created give ammunition to the extreme environmentalists trying to shut fishing in the bay down (or worse, provides propaganda for the politicians who just want the green vote and couldn't care one way or another about the issues).

How about you blokes who fall in love with a place, be just a little discreet.

Gee CHROME! Tell us what you really think! I'm not sure that you even read all the threads on this post and whether you comprehended any of it but isn't the idea of a 'report' is to do exactly that? As i stated earlier, why have a 'reports' section if it is not a true reflection of its meaning?!

As for the 'mongrels' barb, i'll take that as personal given i always state where i caught my fish! Maybe you should leave this site if you don't wish to be offended or angered by peoples reports! I assume given these cause you and others such great offence, you all write to the relevant publications and show organisers and demand that they too be a little discreet with their locations? What?! You DON'T!? Don't be such hypocrites then... :-X

Take Care T

Tinn

14-06-2007, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Chrome Dome http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?p=634792#post634792)
I'm with Midnight - bloody sick of reports titled "Wello fires again" "Wello still producing" "Wello produces again" (and same for Green and Mud) etc (yes you offenders know who you are!). No wonder the fishing gets tougher - you mongrels are on a mission to see the place have boats descend like locusts.

MMM I think this one is directed at you T1 ;D

Please no more reports T1;)

Chrome Dome: People are just reporting their fishing experience how about you put up some posts of your fishing results so we can all have something good to read ;)

14-06-2007, 01:12 PM

Yes TINN! Maybe that WILL be the case from now on! What a pity that people with such a wealth of knowledge and experience are reluctant to post anymore because some idiots can't comprehend the meaning of the english language and words such as 'reports', 'honesty', 'helpfulness', 'guidance', 'tips' etc etc... Which to me is what AUSFISH is ALL about!

Maybe i should start posting in Arabic...

T

Robsie

14-06-2007, 02:24 PM

i think the fact that people post accurate reports, and share information is to be commended.

This is the 1st site that i have joined where, through reports and tips my fishing has improved.
A big thanks to freeedom. over my time here he has given me tips on baits, spots (exact spots) and tide times on how to catch bream, squid and any other fish i need advice on. I can now catch a fish from shore close to brisbane moest times i go out.
the reports provide a good read. I dont get fishing much, but i like reading where is biting, and when so that when i do i know the info is accurate. if u fish every week then finding a new place and consistently catching fish should not be a problem.

I couldnt read a beach, even after looking at diagrams, but when someone posts " good gutters oposite seaworld", i can go down, have a look at it and catch a fish. now i can read a beach.

To everyone that keeps posting reports and advice. Keep up the good work. Thats what makes this site great!!

charleville

14-06-2007, 02:36 PM

Maybe i should start posting in Arabic...

;D ;D ;D

Can you do that with a keyboard http://myskitch.com/charleville/arabic-20070614-143737.jpg

??

;D ;D ;D

Seahorse

14-06-2007, 02:56 PM

To the people who put on here that they have bagged out,I only have 1 thing to say. Half ur bloody luck. The day it happens to me i will tell the world and whoever takes offence can go and r...t their boot.
I do think i know the reason why all the bitching is going on.
JEALOUSY.
I will fish where i want and catch what i want to the limits and tell whoever i want, and if i had an ausfish sticker would proudly display it
greg

mickstar001

14-06-2007, 03:16 PM

Well said seahorse. Mickstar looks into future and reads reports section on Fri 15 June 11.59am "Mickstar bags out @ Wello/Green". Little bit optimistic perhaps. Any experienced plastics ausfisho people wanna hit Wello/Green with me in the morning pm me.

Mickstar

timddo

14-06-2007, 03:20 PM

Poseidon

14-06-2007, 03:29 PM

Sorry, but for the life of me I can’t fully understand how the increase in number of fisherman and boats within the bay area ( or any other area for that matter) can be solely blamed on the reports in this or any other publication around.

Surely the increase of population in QLD, coupled with record boat ownership and relatively easy access to finance may have something also to do with it?

What about the increase in cars on the roads, who can we blame for this?

Keep on posting reports and enjoy helping others by sharing some knowledge where you can as I am sure that helping people is what this site is supposed to be all about.

Regards,

Cameron.

Poseidon

14-06-2007, 03:30 PM

Sorry, needed to edit as posted twice.

Regards,

Cameron.

14-06-2007, 03:31 PM

Tsk Tsk Tsk. One person bags out at wello. Doesn't mean everyman and his dog bags out. Looking at it in another angle just means the fish are thriving in numbers at wello compared to years ago.

I personally have not even caught a snapper at mud/green, wello. That fella (t1) mite have just been lucky and scored some blind fish

;D ;D ;D You're so right there TIMDDO, i am the luckiest fisho going around!!! And mate, they weren't just blind, they actually all had blindfolds on!! ;D ;D ;D

Seahorse

14-06-2007, 03:31 PM

good luck tomorrow mickstar.
will be at mud on sat, with bells on. Watch out snapper.

cheers
greg

beefaman

14-06-2007, 05:16 PM

Good luck guys, hope you get a few.

sandbankmagnet

14-06-2007, 05:43 PM

shame on you beefa. In future, can you please only report when you catch fish and at a location that noone can get to or knows about? That'll ensure the future of our fishing stocks so that our grandchildren can catch fish. I actually hold you completely resposible for the pressure placed on sole at the pin over the last few years since you wieghed one in at a comp.

what about the houseboat trip? show them the one you caught Sunday. Very Narce.......

richieboy

14-06-2007, 06:05 PM

Hey fellas i know none of you like confrontation but perhaps in 3 years if the average fisho struggles for 1 legal squire then perhaps you might see that the horse has long bolted.

Perfectly put Alleycat. I like you, feel that bay snapper are being hauled out at a pretty staggering rate. I'm not necessarily saying all over the bay but I reckon there are spots that cop a hammering more than others.
It wasn't long ago that all the wello reports were coming thru that I noticed a marked increase in later reports heralding sucess at Wello also.
One slow report from the area followed by one good report at Green and all of a sudden attention shifted to the new location and Green became the new Mud car park.
Coincidence maybe, but anyone who says that reports on here don't affect numbers at certain locations are kidding themselves. I'm not an advocate for bashing blokes on there catches, or giving advice etc. I think this thread has gone down the wrong direction and the perception by some is misconcieved. Some members are simply stating discreetness can go a long way to preserving some spots.
I have no doubt if a Mud report came through with big snaps landed both Green and Wello would soon free up for a while. More has to be done in regards to limits and sizes, at least that I think we are all in agggreance.

Beefa: Mate, you'd be silly not to post reports. You have only pre-empted a debate that was coming eventually. Great to see the points.

TNT (that's Dynamite): Don't confuse passion with aggression fellas. That's A/F for ya. I don't think anyones knocking the hints and tips offered.

It's good to bag out now and then. I'm big on just taking what I need tho, and that's all about sustainability. ;)

Richie

BAT

14-06-2007, 06:25 PM

In winter Snapper come to the inshore reef's to breed! ie make baby snapper's.

alleycat

14-06-2007, 06:44 PM

In winter Snapper come to the inshore reef's to breed! ie make baby snapper's.

Thats all good bat, but honestly, 2 guys that ive recently put onto soft plastics and light gear were going out through the seaway every week to fish the reefs and like i said we caught more in one trip in the bay using plastics than my mate had caught in 12 months of going offshore every week, those people who think snapper magically come in from the open ocean in never ending numbers might want to wake up and understand you cant rip 15 year old fish out at the current rate and not see the whole thing fall over.

Deiter

14-06-2007, 06:54 PM

Well, while i think this thread has just about run its course, i think there are a few things worth repeating. Firstly, for goodness sake Beefa, post future reports. That goes for just about everyone else too, regardless of location. The difference with Wello compared to mud or green is that it is such a small stretch of water, you may as well post gps marks.
Tinn I hope i have got you wrong mate, we'll leave it at that. and if you and T1 are not going further afield coz of vessell reliability issues, i'd be happy to take you for a run into the paddock to hunt some bulls and leave the weaners around Wello in our wake. No promises, but its the best i can do.

The other point i wanted to make is that it is not just AF members who read the reports sections. It is out there for every cyber-hawker to see, so yes, we may well be contributing to the downfall of our fishery when we get specific. Maybe, maybe not, and this can be debated till the cows come home, but i don't think any of us can deny that it is a possibilty best avoided. While Ausfishers on the whole seem to acknowledge and practice sustainability, It is a view not always shared by the 'Grabemwhileyoucan' fishos out there.

So keep the reports coming, but lets all be mindfull of the influences they may have. Heck, if you wanna be specific, that's what the PM system is for. Go for it.

Happy fishing,
Damo

BAT

14-06-2007, 07:02 PM

Thats all good bat, but honestly, 2 guys that ive recently put onto soft plastics and light gear were going out through the seaway every week to fish the reefs and like i said we caught more in one trip in the bay using plastics than my mate had caught in 12 months of going offshore every week, those people who think snapper magically come in from the open ocean in never ending numbers might want to wake up and understand you cant rip 15 year old fish out at the current rate and not see the whole thing fall over.
The point Im making is that these people are taking breeding fish!!! SHAME ON ANYONE that does THIS!!!to a already fragail enviroment!!.

Poodroo

14-06-2007, 07:47 PM

If there is such an impact on the fish stocks at Wello then how come so many alleged bagouts are happening? Not long ago I was fishing Wello and having a shocker until I moved and found where they were. I noted all the boats around me weren't onto the fish but where I was they just couldn't wait to jump on the hook. I kept three keepers and returned 60+ fish unharmed back into their home. To me it seems pointless basing an argument on hearsay. I have seen no substantial proof that the fish stocks are deminishing in the bay. The real criminals are the ones who keep everything including undersized fish and not the guys who do a post in this forum about the good fish that they "legally" were allowed to keep. I have to admit to doing well at Wello but as yet I have not experienced a bagout. Perhaps I'd best keep it hush hush if I do after seeing how many people are here to persecute the ones who have success.

Poodroo

alleycat

14-06-2007, 08:27 PM

If I have seen no substantial proof that the fish stocks are deminishing in the bay. The real criminals are the ones who keep everything including undersized fish and not the guys who do a post in this forum about the good fish that they "legally" were allowed to keep.
Poodroo

Mate saying that your saying that the catches are the same as in the 70s, 50s, 30s and last century, i mread an article on 12gentleman going for a days fishing on a bombie off stradbroke island in 1890 and they caught 1100 snapper for the afternoon, the truth is fishing pressure has never been greater and the fishing methods never so efficient, and if you want to believe it means nothing then go for it and take what you can while you can.

Sea-Captain

14-06-2007, 08:38 PM

Dezzer

14-06-2007, 08:45 PM

I wasn't around in 1890 but definitely catch more and better quality fish in my local haunt than 20 -25 yrs ago!
Improved water quality is surely a major factor.

Dezzer

14-06-2007, 09:09 PM

In winter Snapper come to the inshore reef's to breed! ie make baby snapper's. The point Im making is that these people are taking breeding fish!!! SHAME ON ANYONE that does THIS!!!to a already fragail enviroment!!.

Do they? Or are they resident bay fish?
Why is it that large deep water snapper predominantly have the lump on the head while large snapper caught in the bay shallows nearly always don't? Does it drop off when they come in to breed?
Anyway, last time I had a meal of inshore snapper cooked with lemon butter sauce (Mmmm), I can't recall caring either way.

Adamy

14-06-2007, 10:42 PM

The point Im making is that these people are taking breeding fish!!! SHAME ON ANYONE that does THIS!!!to a already fragail enviroment!!.

Sorry Bat - cant agree with you there!! So whats the solution? only take undersize fish? or no fish at all?

I'm no marine biologist but from the reports I have read there is considerable argument that at least in resident reef species such as coral trout culling some of the older and larger members actually helps the reef to hold more and on average larger resident fish... now thats a whole other debate - but some of the writings by eminent marine biologist Dr Walter Stark are well worth a read and provide with a bit of base knowledge before alleging the old greenie argument that for every fish we take - thats one less in the system. Nature doesnt work like that - just as fire in the forest can spawn new growth, taking fish can actually increase the fish population. Take for instance lions - the rogue male will kill a cub if possible to bring the female into spawning season - to generate new cubs... its nature - we catch a fish - we eat a fish, the remaining fish breed and the cycle starts again.

Anyway... like I said - I'm no expert but it seems to make sense and I dont feel guilty for taking the odd fish for a feed. And quite personally I dont think people should make others feel guilty about what is clearly their legal right and their choice.

But IMO thats not what this debate was all about - it was about broadcasting specific locations... again its a matter of choice - if you dont want to broacast and you want to shade in your pictures in black - just in case someone works out your secret spot - then fine do that... dont share! - but if you want to share your knowledge and experience freely with others - then great do that. But dont beat up on people just because they dont share your point of view.

Its our own choice how much and what (if anything) we choose to share. Thanks to all those who have shared in the past and I hope to hear more in the future (if you dare).

Cheers,

Adam

p.s:

A little perspective,

ausfish.com.au Most users ever on-line at once was 574, 12-06-2007 at 08:14 PM Threads: 59,031, Posts: 542,909, Members: 19,340

What percentage of members gave you a hard enough time that people aren't going to post reports anymore? http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/../yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/cheesy.gif

Absolutely correct!! but like those people who are trying to send the message about violence say.... "It only takes one punch to kill" So yeah... out of 19340 it may only take 1.

Aquarius

14-06-2007, 11:11 PM

Interesting debate 'guys' - In my experience only 10% of anglers catch 90% of the available fish. That leaves a lot of fishless fishermen! Some 'old fellas' talk of the 'good old days' and how brilliant the fishing was back in the 40's and 50's - but was it better then?.......I don't think so. The 10% are STILL catching most of the fish on a consistent basis. It doesn't matter how many boats are out there or how many reports there are outlining Wello and Mud etc - those in the know ARE producing. The challenge is to break into the 10% club. Do the research....use Ausfish as a tool if you like....be patient....create your own luck!
Goodluck....

Sea- Captain is on the money.....Don't you guys ever have a bad fishing day?
If everybody went out and caught heaps of fish each trip how long do you think the stocks would last?
Mother nature will look after our snapper population and the rest is up to us.
Snapper at 35cms have already spawned at least once in the life cycle.
Take enough for a feed and release the rest.
5 Squire is a good feed for a family of say four or five.
Snapper at say 3 to four kilo you probably only need to take a couple home.
You don't become a good fisherperson overnight it takes time and patience to earn a reward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'M PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS SITE AND I HOPE THE OLDER MEMBERS KEEP CONTRIBUTING WITH GREAT REPORTS AND PHOTOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers Brent

PinHead

14-06-2007, 11:57 PM

and no one else reports that snapper are biting at Green and Mud etc. ????

http://www.coastwatch.com.au/

charleville

15-06-2007, 12:07 AM

and no one else reports that snapper are biting at Green and Mud etc. ????

http://www.coastwatch.com.au/

...But Greg, the most of the fishing reports on Brownies site could be written without ever getting out of bed...in fact, I reckon that most of them are....

http://myskitch.com/charleville/brownies_coastwatch-20070615-000637.jpg

Great White

15-06-2007, 12:11 AM

Just got back from a fish at Mud tonight could noy even raise a scale ;D ;D ;D

It's all good though as I got to fish with a AF member who I had not fished with or met before :D

The guys who I fished wello with will not keep any fish under 39 cms, thats what I call looking after the future fishing stocks of wello!!!!!!

15-06-2007, 07:57 AM

Tinn I hope i have got you wrong mate, we'll leave it at that. and if you and T1 are not going further afield coz of vessell reliability issues, i'd be happy to take you for a run into the paddock to hunt some bulls and leave the weaners around Wello in our wake. No promises, but its the best i can do.

Damo

Gee Damo, i certainly WILL take you up on that offer in the course of this winter!! Thanks! ;D

Take Care T

BAT

15-06-2007, 11:29 AM

Imo There should be a closed snapper season to enable them to move into the inshore reefs to breed. Just like in south oz where the month of November is closed which by all accounts has had a remarkable turn around in fish stocks since its inception. Surley we could all accept this & fish for other speices during this 1 month a year?
Ive only ever taken one large snapper & it was dry & nowhere near as nice a tasting as the pan size ones, plus i felt like a real pr!ck when its guts where full of roe. Much nicer to catch & watch swim away these days.

15-06-2007, 11:51 AM

and no one else reports that snapper are biting at Green and Mud etc. ????

http://www.coastwatch.com.au/

And here is an excerpt from a well known Tackle shop's weekly report that i get via email every week....

Jew have still been a good option down the coast around the seaway and up the major rivers, while the Taylor have been good on the beaches, they are still a little quiet in the bay. Bream have been caught along Short Is in some good sizes, up to 35 cm plus.

Most of the fishing in the Brisbane river seems to have moved over to Mud Is. The Squire have gone off the bite in the river, but better fish have taken on Mud with some going up to 6 kg plus. These have been caught on a fix of both pillies and soft plastics.

How many will now go and try Mud after this report? Sh%t, might even go myself!!

Take Care T

Adamy

15-06-2007, 12:15 PM

And here is an excerpt from a well known Tackle shop's weekly report that i get via email every week....

Jew have still been a good option down the coast around the seaway and up the major rivers, while the Taylor have been good on the beaches, they are still a little quiet in the bay. Bream have been caught along Short Is in some good sizes, up to 35 cm plus.

Most of the fishing in the Brisbane river seems to have moved over to Mud Is. The Squire have gone off the bite in the river, but better fish have taken on Mud with some going up to 6 kg plus. These have been caught on a fix of both pillies and soft plastics.

How many will now go and try Mud after this report? Sh%t, might even go myself!!

Take Care T

Hell yeah!! Thats me in for sure - I'll have three in the boat - lets see that makes a bag of 15 snaps plus whatever else happens to come around... see you out there!:P

Will post a report with photos and GPS marks as soon as I get back so everyone will know and go too..... that should relieve the pressure from Wello for a while!!::)

Oh can someone give me a hand?? Having trouble stretching the plastics on to 4 ganghook rigs... what am I doing wrong???

Cheers,

Adam

PinHead

15-06-2007, 12:20 PM

The point Im making is that these people are taking breeding fish!!! SHAME ON ANYONE that does THIS!!!to a already fragail enviroment!!.

I would hazard a guess that 99.9% of fish are breeding fish therefore no one should keep any..and C&R should be banned also due to the duress caused to the fish and the death rate from it.

Let's just ban fishing completely.

Once again...as long as it is legal I don't give a rats what anyone does...for those against people taking home legally caught fish then just stay away from the waterways.

webby

15-06-2007, 12:28 PM

Gee Poo 60+ fish in one seession, rex hunt eat your heart out????

Adamy

15-06-2007, 01:09 PM

I would hazard a guess that 99.9% of fish are breeding fish therefore no one should keep any..

Thats true Greg... but lets think about that other 0.01% for a moment... In order for a legal sized eating quality fish to NOT be included in the breeding stock then that fish must be sterile, impotent, transgender (had their bits cut off), a really late springer (if so see sterile) or just GAY... even an ugly fish could score a R$@t once in a while... So what are the implications??

Well... if someone only targets fish that are not in the brood stock - then that says something about them doesnt it??

Just taking the argument to an obscure - but logical conclusion::)

Cheers,

Adam

chief

15-06-2007, 05:20 PM

Gee even the Dalai lama and the Pope couldn't resist a piece of squire in beer batter. Get some squire in your fryer. WHATS GOING ON T1, the secrets out theres squire around the close bay islands, gee their getting them in the brissie river there every bloody where. I had to turn off my anchor light the other night to stop them jumping in my boat at my secret g spot. Now who wrote this report, Good catch fellas Well done

Blackened

15-06-2007, 05:27 PM

G'day

Aah this has been a very good read, brilliant laugh aswell.

Adam..... too many nights down the valley I think mate, that crowds putting ideas into your head!!! lol

Dave

Deiter

15-06-2007, 05:40 PM

G'day

Aah this has been a very good read, brilliant laugh aswell.

Adam..... too many nights down the valley I think mate, that crowds putting ideas into your head!!! lol

Dave

;D;D;D;D LMFAO

Poodroo

15-06-2007, 06:33 PM

Hell yeah!! Thats me in for sure - I'll have three in the boat - lets see that makes a bag of 15 snaps plus whatever else happens to come around... see you out there!:P

Will post a report with photos and GPS marks as soon as I get back so everyone will know and go too..... that should relieve the pressure from Wello for a while!!::)

Oh can someone give me a hand?? Having trouble stretching the plastics on to 4 ganghook rigs... what am I doing wrong???

Cheers,

Adam

I am one of the three crew members right Adam? ::)

Gee Poo 60+ fish in one seession, rex hunt eat your heart out????

Yeah shame they were all tiddlers but release them I did and went through 5 packs of placcies in the process so not a very cost efficient trip but hey it was fun. Averaged 2-3 fish per placcie before I had to put on a fresh one because it was too tatty. Maybe you should have been there. ;) Oh but that's right, those little rubber things don't work! :-X

Poodroo

BAT

15-06-2007, 07:43 PM

Thats true Greg... but lets think about that other 0.01% for a moment... In order for a legal sized eating quality fish to NOT be included in the breeding stock then that fish must be sterile, impotent, transgender (had their bits cut off), a really late springer (if so see sterile) or just GAY... even an ugly fish could score a R$@t once in a while... So what are the implications??

Well... if someone only targets fish that are not in the brood stock - then that says something about them doesnt it??

Just taking the argument to an obscure - but logical conclusion::)

Cheers,

Adam
Please excuse me professor's, Pin & Adam you seem to know whats going on! 99.9 hey that must of taken some resource!

beefaman

15-06-2007, 07:58 PM

100 replies :o

You are kidding me ::)

Aquarius

15-06-2007, 08:10 PM

Beefa mate you sure know how to get these guys fired up.
Looks like we may have to report our fish were caught somewhere in Morten bay from now on..lol
Cheers Brent

Tangles

15-06-2007, 08:51 PM

Read this thread with interest, only comment I really have is Bat mate your sort of out of your crease a bit mate aren't you, on the thread on beach netters I quote : " My brother bought a couple of fish off them . I told him to get me a bucket full for bait next time he sees them. Much as I disagree with the practice of beach netting, I cant resist fresh bait.[/quote] Bit hipociritical there!. I also remember seeing this discraceful practice as a kid at Minnie Waters still makes me angry thinking about it today." All I can say is you seem to justify that "disgraceful practice" in your words because you cant resist fresh bait, but your preaching to people catching legal snapper to legal bag limits because you have a strong view on it, it comes across a bit one eyed mate, for me as has been said many times in this thread.. if your within the law mike (edit was to seperate paragraphs;D)

Tangles

15-06-2007, 08:53 PM

geez that edit didnt work lol mike

Scalem

15-06-2007, 08:59 PM

Beefa mate you sure know how to get these guys fired up.
Looks like we may have to report our fish were caught somewhere in Morten bay from now on..lol
Cheers Brent

So long as there's photos Brent, there's no arguement. Spot X around the red marker might suffice or the crosshairs will be lined up on you........;) ;D ;D

Scalem

PinHead

16-06-2007, 05:59 AM

The point Im making is that these people are taking breeding fish!!! SHAME ON ANYONE that does THIS!!!to a already fragail enviroment!!.

I will go back to the start for you BAT..you said "breeding fish"...that no one should take breeding fish...I then said I would hazard a guess that 99.9% of fish are breeding fish...maybe some have not reached maturity yet but breeding fish nonetheless..no research required at all for a guess...but I suppose you should never fish again if you are against catching breeding fish...fresh fish.,..breeding or not...yummmmmmmmmmmmmmm. There are plenty of fish around...bag and size limits seem to be working ok...as for the fragile environment....just go here :

http://greens.org.au/action/join/ and follow the links..that should make you happy.

I caught 16 fish on Thursday night..looks like I will have to head off to Fishermans Anonymous and stand and recite: I am PinHead and I catch fish..as I hang my head in shame.

not bloody likely.

Poodroo

16-06-2007, 07:31 AM

Judging by these Moreton Bay scuba diving photos in this link http://scubadiving.powerfulintentions.com/photos/album/1390412 Moreton Bay is really suffering badly. Better stop fishing it everyone. ::)

Poodroo

theoldlegend

16-06-2007, 08:04 AM

I know this is off topic, but referring to post #12, I was wondering which establishment offers a 2 for 1 night?

TOL

BAT

16-06-2007, 05:14 PM

All I can say is you seem to justify that "disgraceful practice" in your words because you cant resist fresh bait, What the hell are you talking about?
Im not preaching only giving "My" personal veiws on a public forum within the rules! if you have a problem with this go and be with your mates where you can all agree with each other.

Scalem

16-06-2007, 07:10 PM

I know this thread is nearly done and dusted, but there's two more things I thought of which may have some final say on the topic of fishing Wello.

The last time I headed for Wello, I only spent 10 mins there. It soon became obvious to me that the constant drone of motors in my immediate facinity would make it very hard to fish - then some clown decided to anchor and let every chink in his anchor chain rattle on the side of the boat as it went over. Do you think it was a good advertisement to the fish in Neon lights " hey fish, it's time to bug outa here?" Well it was for me. What chance have we got to over fish when the fish are smarter than we think - after about the 5th boat arriving I reckon! They move on!!
DPI is watching us closely. Get ready for fishing permits which will help finance more Arti reefs spoken about earlier. It may happen soon.r than we thinkScalem

17-06-2007, 09:11 PM

Im not preaching only giving "My" personal veiws on a public forum within the rules!

Well BAT, we ARE only catching and keeping fish WITHIN the rules that the authorities have imposed upon us!!! But you still don't seem to think that that is fair... Yet you want to be able to freely give your opinion in a public forum WITHIN the RULES without repercussions?!?!?!

HYPOCRITE and if you don't know the meaning, grab a dictionary....

T

alleycat

17-06-2007, 09:35 PM

I will go back to the start for you BAT..you said "breeding fish"...that no one should take breeding fish...I then said I would hazard a guess that 99.9% of fish are breeding fish...maybe some have not reached maturity yet but breeding fish nonetheless..no research required at all for a guess...but I suppose you should never fish again if you are against catching breeding fish...fresh fish.,..breeding or not...yummmmmmmmmmmmmmm. There are plenty of fish around...bag and size limits seem to be working ok...as for the fragile environment....just go here :

http://greens.org.au/action/join/ and follow the links..that should make you happy.

I caught 16 fish on Thursday night..looks like I will have to head off to Fishermans Anonymous and stand and recite: I am PinHead and I catch fish..as I hang my head in shame.

not bloody likely.

Its funny , bream fishing in west aussie and nsw has gone from drag em in to the esky to a real sport using light gear and lures and catch and release, much the same as the trout fraternaty, in the bay we have a great shallow water snapper fishery that offers great sport on light gear and so close to home, yes we have bag limits but if you have 2-3-4-5? hundred fishos catching thier bag limits every week it sort of makes a mockery of the whole bag limit theory when your talking about a place like the bay with limited habitat for reef fish, i cant stop you taking your bag limit but when i see just how much flesh comes off a 60cm snapper i would hope that if fishos have to take fresh fish then they might think of returning the snapper and when the sun is up and the snapper finished go and chase the whiting for a family feed and damm good eating too.

Horse

18-06-2007, 08:00 AM

I doubt that many boats are actually reaching bag limits too often. I rate myself a fairly competent fisho and I have only ocassionally "baged out". Most boats around me do not seem to catch much at all so probably do not trouble bag limits most of the time. The impact on the fishery as a whole is probably much greater if a few very large fish are taken rather than a few just over legal

I have no problem with sharing spots and other info. If I turn up and the spot I was going to fish is crowded I just move on and do a bit of exploring to look at some new ground

Maybe it is time to start looking at some new arti's to spread the boats a bit. A few out from Nudgee and some out from Wello would work well

Cheers

Neil

Chris Ryan

18-06-2007, 02:10 PM

If it wasn't for Scalem introducing me to Ausfish, I would not have learnt about places to fish, places to see, how to fix issues with my motor (thanks Chimo) and get a chance to say hi at the touch M&G. I for one welcome all and say a HUGE thanks for your encouragement and support for a newbie boatie floating around from the Seaway to Mud with his family trying to relax and maybe catch a few. Oh and with an 18' halfcabin, I might have to get used to crossing the bars .....

I am a little different where I throw almost all my catch back. The only ones I ever keep are for my little brother or my parents when they come to stay from Sydney. It is a sport for me, but if you catch them to eat I reckon good on ya. I have no problems with any of you doing that as I trust we all do the right thing.

Now as for if "we" think "we" know more than the scientists who work for the Fisheries who, I might add have bailed me up for an inspection a few times recently, spend all of their time watching, testing, reporting and evaluating what is going on in our waterways then I think you are deluding yourself. We all spend a lot of time out there no doubt, and there are more and more boats hanging around but if you want to shoot the messenger for saying "Hey, I had a good day with my mates/friends/relo's out there and caught some dinner" then you are better off keeping your mouth closed & your fingers off the keyboard.

Ausfish doesn't contribute to these things "issues"; add the circulation of all the fishing mags, the Ch 7,9,10 and radio reports, Browines etc would be what, 10fold greater than here at a minimum guess?? Ausfish is a spot to share with mates. Would you go to the pub and walk into a bunch of blokes that hardly know you and start slagging them off? No, I didn't think so.

Keep putting up your posts please. I for one would be very sad to see people go from here because of a few hiccups. Steve, Phil and the other mods have put in too much effort and money for these to shatter a wonderful place to meet and share.

Puff

loophole

18-06-2007, 04:23 PM

Great White

18-06-2007, 05:55 PM

[Im not preaching only giving "My" personal veiws on a public forum within the rules! if you have a problem with this go and be with your mates where you can all agree with each other.[/quote]

Bat why don't you pull up anchor and go for a very long drift, next stop N.Z!!! The stuff you are coming out with belongs out Luggage Point way >:(

Just_chips

18-06-2007, 09:15 PM

Nobody on the northside would carry on like this, geez you southsiders are a cranky bunch.::)

;D ;D ;D

Kev

Chris Ryan

19-06-2007, 02:50 PM

Nobody on the northside would carry on like this, geez you southsiders are a cranky bunch.::)

;D ;D ;D

Kev

LOL - That's Gold Kev!

notsa

20-06-2007, 09:16 AM

I am not much of a fisherman and have not been using plastics for that long and have fished wello about 5 times and always come home with a feed.If it wasn`t for this web site I would never thought about fishing wello and as far as having skills to catch snapper on plastics I think if you use the right ones and the snapper are there they catch themselves.(it must be true if I can catch them)This is our catch from our last outing in Moreton Bay some were.

BAT

20-06-2007, 07:32 PM

Still no response to my IMO comment ? come on! all you can do is attack me through my first post's on this thread???.

Ninja

21-06-2007, 10:01 PM

I'm sorry to burst a bubble but the whole Wello/ Green area is far from a secret...just as the pin or seaway. Read any book or ask any tackle shop or local in the area and you will be pointed in the same direction if fishing the bay shallows is your thing. I still haven't read a post giving out the GPS marks but 'secret spots' do not really exist in well know areas which are so easily accessed and get so much through traffic. I have had my very occasional flick at the islands for some fish but because the whole crowd thing is not what I look for in a days fishing...I choose to give the area a miss. A simple answer for those that feel the same. Otherwise....good on those who do share a bit of info. That's the whole reason for these chat boards. With the increased amount of boats on the water every year....accept the area is only going to cop even more of a pounding. The boat is not reserved to small craft.....and those fishing small craft are not limited to fishing that area only.

minno

21-06-2007, 10:08 PM

Interesting. Sea captain is spot on. You can have all the fancy boats, fishing gear and the best fish finding equipment, it don't mean your going to catch a fish. I see it all the time. Boats everywhere, but only 10% catch fish or even 20% for those blokes that get lucky. But there are people that know their stuff and they are the one,s that don't say very much, why! because they don't want to be shot down by others.
I tip my hat to those people that put 1000,s of hour,s into there craft and some of these people don,t mind sharing. Thinking like a fish, only a hand full of people would know what this means. Please! This type of talk will get you nowhere. Fishing is a art to some, and opinion,s is like an arse hole, everyone,s got one.

minno

Mozza

24-06-2007, 09:58 PM

(Try again)

Well, that's it. I'm all for seceding to a northern state!! All youse southerners will get turned around and marched back to your Wello's and your Green's and wherever else it is you get your bag-outs, your no-bags, your bagging, your bragging and barfing!!

I've never had so much fun on a computer:D :D

I read many of the reports from down your way as I'm pretty well interested in any kind of fishing and always get a kick out of someone else's success. Yes, I understand the concern that you have about the snapper fishery - stories like these are happening all around the world so we're not alone but, it seems to me talk like this good if it means that a few more individuals or groups become convinced or motivated enough to want to do something about it. There are plenty of you guys down there that I'm sure know lots about about your favourite prey and in that respect makes you experts so, you have something of value to contribute. Seems to me that many of the fisheries that have collapsed around the world, have occurred because not enough were known about them to have any real impact on managing the fish stocks.

I like catching (and eating) barra not just because they look nice and taste nice (and I never seem to get near my bag limit of 2) but also because I know a legal barra (58cm last time I looked) grows so bloody fast that it's probably no more than 3-4 years old when I happen to catch it. If there was a case for a fish to be over-protected then the barra would have be it but, I digress. Fingermark on the other hand take forever to get to a good size so my guilt kicks in pretty much straight away. Living in Darwin and hearing of catches in the 00's of fingermark can't be good for the fishery right?

You can have a go at the scientists one way or the other but, without knowledge your local fishery is stuffed. As alot of you have stated, more boats = more fishing = less fish in the sea. But to me, a northerner up here waiting for the bloody rain to clear up (bet that hurts), anectodal evidence (if its not, I apologise) about whether an inshore fish is a brooder or not isn't Science. It's like the flathead story - a bit more knowledge and suddenly people are catching alligator-sized flatty's! Isn't that great!!

So what exactly is the critical size for the ladies? A couple more cm bigger? What about the blokes - can they lay the taddies out at 20cm? How fast do they grow. To some extent, it's not just sticking your head in the sand and saying 'I'll go by the rules'. How old are the rules - or should I say how old is the Science that the rules were based on?

Geez.

It was supposed to be a humurous post - must mean I'm going to work tomorrow.

'Night all
Mozza

Lovey80

25-06-2007, 12:10 AM

Ok some very interesting reading. Can I ask one thing do i have to hear the 10% -90% saying anymore its getting real tired on me. im going to bed right now to think of a new one.

Keep up the good work lads and keep posting the report.

Cheers Chris

finding_time

26-06-2007, 10:38 AM

Hey fellas i know none of you like confrontation but perhaps in 3 years if the average fisho struggles for 1 legal squire then perhaps you might see that the horse has long bolted.

Have just reread this whole post , some of the ill informed comments leave me breathless, Allycat the above one is just hysterics!:o You really have no idea about the fish being caught today as opposed to 15-20years ago do you!!

The introduction of bag limits have had a significant impact of fish taken both inside and outside moreton bay. 20 years ago the amout of snapper HARVESTED by rec-fisho'swas out of control, with some boat's bringing over a tonne of snapper from 1 trip , this being sold on the black market. People were catching snapper and bream in similar numbers around mud then as well you just didn't hear about it!! And this is the point , you hear about things faster these days but this doesn't make them more common, and while Mud and Wello are the flavor of the month, Plenty ( and i do mean PLENTY) of other area's in the bay are getting less pressure than they have in the past. As Webby has said the bay is a big place with lots of area's that hold good fish, as these are being relatively being left alone atm , it doesn't matter that other more accessable places have increassed pressure, it's the balance that matters.

I you only have a little boat fish where you feel safe, if you have a big boat fish where you want. As Pinhead said as long as your not breaking the law you should not feel guilty. And Allycat if you feel so strongly about catch rates lobby the government to change the rules dont run guilt trips on people obeying them;)

Ian

Ps. If i wanted to catch a really big bay snapper i wouldn't be fishing either Mud or Wello;)

alleycat

26-06-2007, 01:33 PM

Have just reread this whole post , some of the ill informed comments leave me breathless, Allycat the above one is just hysterics!:o You really have no idea about the fish being caught today as opposed to 15-20years ago do you!!

The introduction of bag limits have had a significant impact of fish taken both inside and outside moreton bay. 20 years ago the amout of snapper HARVESTED by rec-fisho'swas out of control, with some boat's bringing over a tonne of snapper from 1 trip , this being sold on the black market. People were catching snapper and bream in similar numbers around mud then as well you just didn't hear about it!! And this is the point , you hear about things faster these days but this doesn't make them more common, and while Mud and Wello are the flavor of the month, Plenty ( and i do mean PLENTY) of other area's in the bay are getting less pressure than they have in the past. As Webby has said the bay is a big place with lots of area's that hold good fish, as these are being relatively being left alone atm , it doesn't matter that other more accessable places have increassed pressure, it's the balance that matters.

I you only have a little boat fish where you feel safe, if you have a big boat fish where you want. As Pinhead said as long as your not breaking the law you should not feel guilty. And Allycat if you feel so strongly about catch rates lobby the government to change the rules dont run guilt trips on people obeying them;)

Ian

Ps. If i wanted to catch a really big bay snapper i wouldn't be fishing either Mud or Wello;)

Finding time, accross australia there has been a big change in fishing in recent years, look at bream fishing, it was once a bread and butter species taken for the table and now it has a huge following by sports fisherman targetting them on lures and light gear, the major majority of the fish caught are catch and release with anglers chasing bigger fish as a goal, this website is a good insight into the sporting side of bream fishing especially in west aussie.
http://www.breammaster.com/forum/
Now finding time i love fishing and yes i love eating fish as well and want to keep on doing both, in snapper we have right on our doorstep a great sporting fish that can be targetted in shallow water in the bay with light gear and soft plastics and the fighting power of a decent snapper is way under rated, i myself let go fish over 55cm and if i keep any to eat i might keep 2, im not out to make anyone feel guilty at all, you choose what you do with yours, i feel the fillet recovery on snapper is very poor and its a shame to kill a bigger fish to retrieve such a small amount of flesh when the bigger fish are such a thrill to catch.
But some people will never see this and its thier right to keep whats legal.

SWANY22

30-06-2007, 07:24 PM

the other day there was 178 posts now there is 127 what happend to the other 50 posts

Horse

30-06-2007, 09:02 PM

I doubt if Snapper in the Bay are under any sort of real threat in the Bay. I doubt very much if the fishery will collapse overnight. If the fish per effort start to drop significantly them less people will target them and the impact will lessen.

If more effort is directed to specific areas then catches will probably drop in the short term but fish will still be found in less known spots. If catches start to dsrop significantly then fisheries will act on regulations in order to correct the balance

Cheers

Neil

webby

30-06-2007, 10:41 PM

Nothing wrong with mud for big snapper, as a matter of fact, there's nothing wrong with a few other places in the bay for big snapper, just have to do your homework and not tell everyone ??????

bugman

01-07-2007, 12:32 AM

Come on Webby you can tell me!!!

Iain, - they didn't have to sell them on the black market there was actually a clause - rule 20 or something that allowed rec fishos to legally sell there catch.

You don't have to look very far to see some rec fish identities that have filled their coffers with fishing harvesting in the past.

I've never fished Wello or Green - Webby has never taken me;D

Chris Ryan

01-07-2007, 06:40 AM

the editors pencil has been back by the looks......hmmmm missing 40 odd posts. ahh well, that's life.

beefaman

01-07-2007, 03:35 PM

They just dont want this thread to beat the BCF one. Unfortunate.

Chris Ryan

01-07-2007, 03:55 PM

Well that is downright silly.

beefaman

01-07-2007, 04:08 PM

Lol, I have no idea why it keeps getting edited.
I might go down and flick a few lures around on dusk I think. Weather looks alright.

finga

01-07-2007, 05:42 PM

Where's Wello??
Can I get my tiny tinny there??
When's the best time to go??
What's a bag limit???

Look out Lilly and Lilly jnr...looks like someone is going to be up you two for taking undersized fish that are breading stock...wake up to yourself Lilly >:(

I know what to do now to make for a nice quite day when I go fishing...I'm going to put a post up "bagged out at spot ZZ" (oops, that's a drag going off if I used plastics...I better make that spot B for bloody good) so that'll leave just me going to where I want to fish.

Charlie...Isn't it amasing how you can be drifting in the middle of nowhere and boats will anchor 10m off your bow.
I actually stopped to do a Number 2 one-day in the middle of absolutely nowhere (actually it was way out the back of Couchie) and before the job was done someone was fishing just off me.
IMO a radio isn't needed in a boat anymore. If you get into strife all you have to do is bung a big donger sinker on and pretend you've got a whopper and I guarantee within 5 minutes at least 3 boats will be anchored either 3m of the bow or 3m of the stern. (just been silly there...a radio is a necessity in a boat)

TOL...mate, about post 12 or 13...remember the dicky ticker ;)

Poodroo....mate all I have to say your a lot better then me.
I would have gotten the poo's after catching 10 squire let alone 60 of the buggers.
It may be just my bad luck but when I hook the little buggers 9 times out of 10 they swallow the bloody hook so I have to cut the line so I don't hurt the poor little tyke
If the same ratios apply to plastic hookups then that's 54 jigheads lost in 60 hookups in one session. That's gotta hurt the back pocket. :-[

GW.... mate we better go and have a fish and discuss/discover the things you need in the boat. You also might be able to show my how to catch a snapper because the only things I catch are squire (actually that'll be No.1 priority).

PS if someone find my foldup anchor can I have it back please?? ;D