Rod Weave Layout Software

[Owen]

I do a bit of software writing to keep me amused and decided to see what I could come up with to take images and turn them into a layout suitable for weaving onto a rod.

A rough beta model is available at
http://www.dare.id.au/dare/projects/pic2weave.zip

I wouldn't mind if a few experienced weavers had a look and gave me some ideas as to what I should aim for to make this a worthwhile tool for weavers both novice and pro.

I'd prefer if only people that would use such a tool regularly and can offer constructive advise download it at this point as it's a large file hosted on my home web server, so I'm paying for the data transfers.
That doesn't mean you have to be a pro rod builder, as I want it to appeal to novices as well. I just don't want people downloading it just to have a look knowing full well they'll never do a weave whilst their a$$$e points to the ground.

Bear in mind it is nowhere near ready for release, so there are logic errors and interface issues that would not be in a release version.

The plan for the final version is to have these features.


Colours that are as close as possible to Gudebrod & Speed threads as defaults
The layout sheet to show in tabular format both the thread number, colour & layer required at each wrap.
A layout sheet showing the colour of each thread on each layer.
The ability to adjust the grid cell sizes to suit the size thread you are using for both layout and wrap threads - X & Y axis - I don't know the correct terminology.
An actual size image on the print preview page.There are a few other things I could add.... Maybe the ability to have it grab the nearest colour to the picture and fill in the grid. I think this is a bit problematic though. I reckon in the end you may get a better finish doing it manually.

Anyway, I'd be glad to hear some feedback.

I'm yet to decide whether this will be a commercial venture but I kind of doubt it.
Most of the software I design that's not for work, I ask only that you make a donation to the Make a Wish foundation.

Here's some screenshots.

[Owen]

Oh, almost forgot.
At the moment you have to click on each individual cell to colour it in, which is a major pain in the a$$$e.
It's meant to be that way ;D

When I decide it's ready for release I'll add code to "paint" areas.
Until then I don't want it to be too easy to use and it won't have print functions etc.

[jan]

G'day Owen,
Haven't downloaded it yet as I wont start weaving for another 6-12months as I am busy with marbelling and wrapping first but would be interested then. I would see about putting Madeira as a colour chart/download as with 300+ colours to choose from it could be a good inclusion. I think David from Visualwrap is doing a weave program as well (if I remember rightly).
Cheers,Jan.

[Owen]

G'day Jan,

As far as I'm aware, Visual wrap is for cross-weaves.
I had a look around before I started to see if there was anything suitable as I hate re-inventing the wheel. With the amount of time it takes to develop an application properly I'd rather pay $50-100 for one that's already done ;)
All I could find was cross stitch and commercial weaving programmes.


Here is an output from it based on the dragon weave Sandra just did.
This had more body detail to it though and is about 50% bigger at 130 x 97.
Hers was easily able to be seen from the top of the rod. I reckon this one would go close to half way around an average 5-6ft spin rod.
I would place about row 52-54 at the centreline of the rod as with the lack of solid areas in the horns area it looks off centre if you line up the centre of the pattern with the centre of the rod.




1: 18,19,
2: 19,20,21,
3: 20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,67,68,
4: 22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,65 ,66,
5: 23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,39,40 ,64,65,66,72,
6: 34,35,36,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,64,65,70,71 ,72,73,
7: 37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,59,64,65,68,69,70,71,78 ,79,
8: 32,33,34,35,36,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,49,50,51,59,63 ,64,65,68,69,70,79,
9: 16,17,18,19,20,21,22,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37 ,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,51,52,53,59,60,64,65,68,6 9,70,78,79,80,
10: 19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35 ,36,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,51,52,53,59,60,6 5,66,68,69,70,78,79,80,
11: 23,24,25,26,27,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,51,52,60,61,62 ,63,65,66,67,69,70,78,79,
12: 29,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,47,48,49 ,50,51,52,53,61,62,63,64,66,67,70,71,72,75,76,77,7 8,79,
13: 27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,45,48,49,50 ,51,52,53,62,63,64,65,67,68,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,7 8,
14: 25,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,48 ,49,50,51,52,53,64,65,66,68,69,71,72,74,75,76,77,7 8,
15: 23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40 ,41,42,45,46,48,49,50,51,52,58,67,69,70,72,73,75,7 6,77,78,
16: 20,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,31,33,34,35,36,37,38,39 ,42,43,46,47,48,49,50,51,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,6 8,69,71,73,75,76,77,80,
17: 15,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,31,32,33,34 ,35,36,37,38,39,46,47,48,49,50,51,61,62,63,64,65,6 6,70,72,77,80,
18: 12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,30 ,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,42,43,44,45,46,47,4 8,49,50,51,70,71,75,76,78,80,
19: 9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25, 26,27,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49 ,50,51,52,72,74,75,76,78,80,83,
20: 8,9,10,11,12,13,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,32,3 3,34,35,36,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,51,52,72,76,77,79, 80,81,82,
21: 7,8,9,18,19,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,32,33,34,35 ,36,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,51,71,72,74,75,7 9,81,82,
22: 6,7,15,16,17,18,19,20,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,3 2,33,34,35,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,70,71, 72,74,75,77,81,82,
23: 5,6,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,3 0,31,32,33,34,35,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47, 62,63,64,65,70,71,72,75,77,78,80,81,
24: 5,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,2 5,26,28,29,30,31,32,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,45, 46,47,57,58,59,60,62,63,64,65,66,67,69,70,73,74,75 ,77,78,80,
25: 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,24,25,2 6,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,45,46,55,56,57, 58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,69,70,71,72,75,76,77 ,79,80,81,82,
26: 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,18,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,28, 29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,40,41,42,43,45,52,53 ,54,56,57,58,59,60,61,63,64,65,66,67,68,70,71,72,7 3,74,77,78,79,80,
27: 6,7,8,9,18,19,25,26,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36,37,38, 40,41,42,51,52,53,54,55,57,58,59,65,67,69,70,71,72 ,73,74,76,
28: 5,6,7,18,19,20,21,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,33,34,35 ,36,37,38,40,41,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,60,62,63,65,6 6,71,72,73,74,76,
29: 4,5,6,14,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30 ,31,33,34,35,36,37,38,46,47,48,49,51,52,53,57,58,5 9,61,62,63,64,65,67,68,69,70,73,74,76,77,
30: 4,5,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,2 9,30,31,32,36,37,45,46,47,48,49,50,53,54,55,57,58, 59,60,63,64,67,68,69,70,71,73,75,76,77,78,
31: 3,4,5,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26 ,27,28,29,30,31,32,36,37,45,46,47,48,49,50,58,60,6 1,62,65,66,68,69,70,71,72,74,75,76,77,78,
32: 3,4,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,20,21,23,24,25,26 ,28,29,30,31,36,42,43,44,46,47,48,49,51,52,53,55,5 6,57,58,60,61,64,65,66,68,69,70,71,72,74,75,76,77, 78,
33: 3,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,18,19,23,24,25,27,28,29 ,30,41,42,43,44,45,46,48,52,54,55,56,58,59,62,63,6 5,66,67,70,71,72,73,75,76,77,78,
34: 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,17,18,20,22,23,24,27,28,29,40,41 ,42,43,44,45,47,48,50,51,53,57,58,59,62,63,64,69,7 0,71,72,73,75,76,77,78,79,
35: 6,7,8,9,10,11,15,16,17,18,19,21,23,24,26,27,28,36, 37,38,39,41,42,43,46,47,48,49,50,51,53,54,55,56,57 ,60,61,64,66,67,68,70,71,72,73,75,77,79,80,
36: 5,6,7,8,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,25,26,27,29,30, 31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,44,52,56,57,59,60,61 ,64,65,66,67,70,71,73,75,78,79,80,
37: 4,5,6,7,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,21,22,24,25,26,27,29, 30,31,32,33,34,36,37,38,41,42,43,45,46,48,49,50,51 ,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,67,69,72,73,7 5,77,78,79,80,
38: 3,4,5,6,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,21,23,24,26,27,28,31, 32,33,34,39,41,42,43,44,45,47,48,49,51,53,54,55,56 ,57,58,61,62,63,64,65,67,68,69,70,72,73,74,75,78,7 9,80,
39: 2,3,4,5,10,11,12,13,14,15,19,20,23,24,25,28,29,31, 32,36,37,38,39,40,41,45,50,51,52,53,58,59,61,62,63 ,64,65,66,71,72,74,75,78,79,80,
40: 2,3,4,5,9,10,11,12,13,18,19,20,22,24,25,27,28,29,3 1,32,33,34,37,38,40,41,42,43,44,46,49,50,51,52,53, 54,59,62,63,65,66,67,68,69,71,72,74,75,76,78,79,80 ,
41: 2,3,4,8,9,10,11,12,17,18,19,20,22,23,24,27,28,31,3 2,33,34,36,38,39,40,42,43,44,47,48,52,53,55,62,65, 66,67,70,71,74,75,76,78,79,87,88,
42: 2,3,4,8,9,10,11,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,27,2 8,29,32,34,35,36,38,45,46,47,48,49,65,66,67,69,70, 72,73,76,78,80,86,87,88,89,90,93,
43: 1,2,3,7,8,9,10,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,26,27,29,31,32 ,33,34,37,38,39,40,41,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,64,65,6 6,67,69,72,73,75,76,78,79,80,85,86,87,90,94,
44: 1,2,3,7,8,9,14,15,16,17,18,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,31 ,32,34,36,37,38,41,42,43,44,63,64,65,66,67,70,71,7 3,74,75,78,79,80,84,85,86,93,94,
45: 1,2,6,7,8,13,14,15,16,17,21,22,23,24,26,27,30,33,3 4,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,63,64,65,66,67,69,70,72,74, 76,78,79,80,84,85,93,94,
46: 1,2,6,7,8,13,14,15,21,22,23,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,3 3,34,35,36,37,38,39,63,64,65,66,67,70,71,72,73,76, 78,79,80,83,84,85,92,93,97,
47: 1,6,7,8,12,13,14,15,20,21,22,27,28,29,32,33,34,38, 39,40,60,63,64,65,66,69,70,71,72,74,75,79,83,84,85 ,87,88,89,90,91,92,96,97,
48: 6,7,12,13,14,20,21,22,29,33,34,60,61,62,63,64,65,6 6,67,68,69,70,73,74,75,76,77,78,80,81,84,86,87,88, 89,90,91,95,96,
49: 6,7,12,13,14,20,21,54,61,62,63,64,65,67,68,71,72,7 3,74,76,78,80,82,83,86,87,88,89,94,95,96,
50: 6,7,12,13,14,20,21,49,50,54,55,56,57,61,62,63,64,6 5,67,68,69,70,71,72,75,76,79,80,81,83,84,90,91,92, 93,94,95,96,
51: 6,12,13,14,20,26,27,34,35,36,37,41,42,43,44,48,49, 50,51,52,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,66,67,68,69,70 ,71,72,74,75,76,79,81,83,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,
52: 6,13,14,27,28,29,30,31,35,36,37,38,39,43,44,45,49, 50,51,52,53,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,71,72,73,76,77 ,78,81,84,85,86,87,88,89,91,92,97,
53: 14,19,20,21,22,28,29,30,31,32,35,36,37,38,39,40,41 ,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,5 9,63,65,66,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,76,77,78,79,82,83, 84,97,
54: 18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34 ,35,36,37,38,39,40,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,5 7,60,62,63,65,66,68,69,70,71,72,74,75,79,83,84,85, 86,87,88,89,90,94,95,96,
55: 20,21,22,23,24,25,26,33,40,44,45,46,49,50,51,52,55 ,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,69,74,75,76,82,87,88,8 9,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,
56: 14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,27,31,32,33,34,35,36 ,37,38,39,40,42,43,44,45,46,48,49,50,51,53,54,58,5 9,61,62,63,64,65,66,68,69,70,72,73,74,75,76,77,78, 79,80,81,83,84,85,89,90,91,
57: 12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,24,25,26,28,29,31,32 ,33,34,35,36,37,39,41,42,43,45,47,48,49,52,53,54,5 5,57,58,59,60,62,63,64,65,66,68,69,70,72,73,74,75, 76,77,78,79,80,81,82,85,86,
58: 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,25,27,28,29,30 ,34,35,36,37,38,40,41,42,43,44,46,47,48,49,52,53,5 4,56,58,59,60,61,62,64,65,66,68,69,70,72,73,74,75, 76,77,78,81,82,84,85,86,87,88,92,
59: 13,14,15,16,17,18,21,24,26,27,28,29,30,31,34,35,36 ,37,39,40,41,42,43,45,47,48,50,51,53,55,56,57,60,6 1,62,64,66,68,69,70,71,73,77,78,86,87,88,89,90,91,
60: 15,16,17,19,21,22,23,26,27,28,29,32,33,35,36,38,39 ,41,42,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,54,55,56,57,58,6 1,62,64,65,66,71,78,
61: 14,15,18,20,21,22,23,25,26,28,31,32,33,34,37,38,39 ,40,43,44,45,46,49,50,51,52,53,55,56,57,59,60,62,6 4,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,
62: 9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,20,21,22,24,25,26,27, 31,32,33,34,35,36,38,39,42,44,45,47,48,50,51,53,54 ,56,57,58,59,60,61,65,66,67,68,69,
63: 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,23,24,25,26,2 7,29,30,32,33,35,36,37,39,40,41,42,43,45,46,47,48, 49,50,52,53,54,55,58,59,60,61,63,64,65,
64: 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,20,21,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31 ,34,35,36,37,38,40,41,42,43,44,46,47,48,49,50,51,5 3,54,55,57,58,60,61,63,64,65,
65: 7,12,13,16,17,18,20,24,25,26,28,29,30,31,32,33,34, 35,36,37,38,39,40,42,44,45,47,48,49,50,51,52,54,56 ,57,58,59,
66: 11,12,13,14,16,17,18,20,21,22,23,28,29,30,31,33,34 ,36,37,38,39,40,42,44,45,46,48,50,51,52,53,56,57,
67: 10,11,12,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,29 ,30,31,32,33,34,
68: 9,10,11,12,14,15,16,17,18,20,21,22,24,25,26,27,29, 30,
69: 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,20,21,22,23,25,26,2 7,29,31,
70: 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,26,28, 30,31,32,33,53,59,60,61,62,85,86,87,88,89,90,
71: 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,14,16,17,18,21,23,24,25,27,28,2 9,30,31,32,33,34,35,37,38,39,44,45,46,47,50,51,52, 53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,66,67,68,69,84 ,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,
72: 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,14,15,19,20,22,23,24,25,26,27 ,30,32,33,34,35,37,38,39,40,41,43,44,45,46,47,48,5 0,51,52,53,54,55,56,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,66,67,68, 69,70,71,83,84,85,86,87,88,92,
73: 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,14,18,19,20,21,25,26,28,31,32 ,33,34,35,37,38,39,40,41,44,45,46,47,48,50,51,52,5 3,54,55,56,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70, 71,72,80,81,82,83,84,85,
74: 4,5,9,10,11,12,15,16,17,19,20,21,22,23,24,30,33,34 ,35,37,38,39,40,41,42,44,45,46,47,48,49,51,52,53,5 4,55,56,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,66,67,68,69,70,71,72, 74,75,76,79,80,81,82,83,84,
75: 9,10,11,12,15,16,17,18,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28, 30,31,34,35,37,38,39,40,41,42,44,45,46,47,48,49,51 ,52,53,54,55,56,58,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,74,75,76,7 7,79,80,81,82,83,84,
76: 9,10,11,12,13,16,17,18,19,22,23,25,26,27,28,30,32, 33,34,52,53,54,59,60,61,62,63,67,71,72,74,75,76,77 ,78,80,81,82,83,85,86,87,88,89,90,
77: 8,9,10,11,12,13,17,18,19,20,21,29,30,31,32,34,36,3 8,39,40,41,43,45,46,47,48,49,50,53,56,57,58,61,64, 65,66,67,68,69,70,71,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82 ,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,
78: 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,18,19,20,21,23,24,25,26,27,3 0,31,32,35,36,37,38,40,42,43,44,45,48,49,50,51,52, 55,56,57,58,59,61,63,64,65,66,67,69,70,72,76,77,78 ,79,81,82,83,84,85,89,93,
79: 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,2 7,28,30,31,33,35,36,37,38,41,42,43,44,45,46,49,50, 51,53,54,57,60,61,62,64,65,66,71,72,73,74,75,77,78 ,80,83,
80: 7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,18,19,26,31,32,33,34,36,39,40 ,43,46,47,48,52,53,54,55,56,59,60,61,62,63,67,68,6 9,71,72,73,74,75,76,78,80,81,83,84,
81: 7,8,9,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,31,32 ,33,34,37,38,39,40,41,44,45,46,47,50,53,54,56,57,5 8,60,61,64,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,75,76,79,80,81, 82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,
82: 8,9,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,3 2,35,36,37,39,42,43,44,48,49,50,51,52,55,56,57,58, 60,62,63,64,65,67,68,69,72,79,80,81,82,84,85,86,87 ,88,89,90,91,93,
83: 8,15,16,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,27,28,29,33,34,35,36, 37,41,42,43,44,45,48,49,50,51,53,54,60,63,64,65,67 ,73,75,76,77,80,81,82,83,88,89,
84: 14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,29,30,31,32,34,35,38,39 ,41,42,45,46,47,55,56,58,66,68,69,70,72,73,74,75,7 6,77,79,81,82,83,
85: 14,15,16,17,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,47,48,49,50,51,52 ,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,66,68,69,70,72,7 3,75,76,77,79,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,
86: 14,15,16,17,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,33,34 ,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,5 1,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,72,73, 75,76,77,78,79,81,82,83,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,
87: 15,16,17,21,22,23,24,27,28,29,30,32,33,34,35,36,37 ,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,5 8,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,68,69,71,78,79,80,81,88,
88: 17,22,23,24,28,29,30,34,35,36,37,38,42,43,44,45,50 ,51,52,53,59,60,64,65,66,67,71,72,73,74,75,76,78,7 9,81,82,83,85,86,
89: 23,24,29,30,31,35,36,37,38,39,44,45,46,52,53,54,60 ,61,65,66,67,68,70,73,74,75,76,78,79,81,82,83,85,8 6,87,88,89,
90: 30,31,32,38,39,46,62,64,65,66,67,68,70,72,76,77,78 ,79,81,82,83,84,87,88,89,90,
91: 64,65,66,67,68,69,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,80,82,83 ,84,
92: 63,64,67,68,69,71,72,73,75,79,80,82,83,84,
93: 68,69,70,74,75,76,79,80,81,82,83,
94: 21,22,23,24,30,31,32,38,39,40,59,60,61,62,63,67,71 ,72,74,75,76,78,80,81,82,83,
95: 22,23,24,25,26,31,32,33,34,39,40,41,47,48,49,54,55 ,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,69,71,72,73,75,77,78,
96: 23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,40 ,41,42,43,48,49,50,55,56,57,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,6 8,69,70,72,74,76,77,78,79,81,82,83,
97: 12,13,14,15,16,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34 ,35,36,37,38,40,41,42,43,44,45,48,49,50,51,55,56,5 7,58,61,62,63,64,65,66,71,72,73,74,75,77,78,81,82, 83,
98: 13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,32,33,36,37,40 ,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,6 4,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,78,79,80,81,82,
99: 15,16,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,31,33,34,36,37,39,40,41 ,42,45,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,65,69,7 0,71,73,76,78,80,81,
100: 15,16,17,21,22,24,26,27,30,31,32,34,35,38,39,41,43 ,45,46,47,49,50,61,62,65,66,67,71,72,73,74,75,76,7 7,
101: 6,7,8,11,12,13,14,15,16,19,20,22,23,26,27,30,31,34 ,35,38,39,40,42,43,44,45,46,47,49,50,51,53,54,58,5 9,61,62,66,67,68,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,80,81,
102: 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,18,21,22,26,28,29,30,3 2,33,36,38,39,42,43,44,46,47,48,51,52,54,55,56,58, 60,62,63,64,65,67,68,69,70,71,72,74,75,76,78,79,80 ,
103: 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29 ,32,33,35,36,37,40,41,43,45,47,48,51,52,53,55,56,5 7,59,60,61,63,64,65,66,71,72,73,77,78,
104: 9,10,11,12,14,17,18,20,21,23,24,25,28,30,32,34,36, 40,41,42,44,45,46,48,49,50,51,55,56,58,60,62,64,66 ,67,68,70,71,72,73,75,76,
105: 8,9,10,11,14,15,19,20,21,22,24,26,27,30,31,33,34,3 5,38,39,41,43,44,45,46,48,49,50,52,53,54,56,58,60, 62,63,66,67,68,70,71,72,73,75,76,
106: 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,22,23,24,26,27,28,29, 30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,42,43,46,47,49,51,53 ,54,57,58,59,61,62,63,64,66,72,73,75,
107: 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,14,16,17,19,23,25,40,41,42,43, 45,46,47,48,50,51,52,55,56,58,60,62,63,65,66,67,68 ,69,70,71,72,85,86,87,88,89,90,
108: 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,13,14,19,20,21,22,44,45,47,48,4 9,51,52,55,56,57,59,60,61,62,65,67,68,84,85,86,87, 88,
109: 2,3,7,8,11,13,14,15,16,19,21,48,49,50,51,53,55,56, 57,60,61,62,68,69,70,71,72,74,83,84,85,86,
110: 7,10,11,13,14,15,16,18,53,54,57,58,59,62,64,65,67, 68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,81,82,83,84,93,
111: 6,7,10,11,13,14,16,18,64,65,66,67,68,69,81,82,83,8 4,92,93,
112: 5,6,7,9,10,63,64,70,71,73,74,75,76,77,78,81,82,83, 84,91,92,
113: 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,16,62,64,66,67,68,69,70, 71,73,74,75,76,77,79,81,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,
114: 3,4,5,6,7,9,11,12,14,41,42,43,62,63,64,66,67,68,71 ,73,78,79,81,82,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,
115: 2,3,4,6,7,9,10,12,15,40,41,42,43,61,62,63,68,69,70 ,71,73,74,75,77,80,82,84,85,86,94,
116: 2,6,7,10,11,13,14,38,39,40,41,42,61,62,63,64,65,66 ,74,75,77,79,80,81,90,91,92,93,
117: 6,7,8,10,12,13,14,36,37,38,39,40,41,62,65,66,67,68 ,69,70,71,76,78,80,81,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,9 2,93,
118: 5,6,7,8,9,12,15,35,36,37,38,39,40,63,66,67,70,71,7 2,76,78,80,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,
119: 5,6,7,8,10,11,12,13,14,32,34,36,37,38,39,66,67,68, 71,72,73,78,79,
120: 5,6,7,8,11,14,15,17,18,28,30,31,33,36,37,38,68,72, 73,77,79,81,82,83,84,
121: 4,5,6,7,8,9,12,13,18,19,21,22,24,26,27,30,32,35,36 ,37,40,41,42,43,73,77,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,9 0,91,
122: 4,5,6,8,9,10,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,28,2 9,31,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,77,79,84,85,86,87,88, 89,
123: 4,5,8,9,10,11,13,15,16,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,27,28, 30,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,78,79,80,81,82,
124: 5,8,9,10,11,12,19,21,22,23,31,32,33,34,35,36,80,81 ,82,83,84,
125: 9,10,11,12,13,14,15,28,29,30,31,83,84,85,
126: 9,10,11,12,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26, 27,28,29,30,31,
127: 9,10,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27, 28,29,30,31,32,33,34,
128: 10,11,12,16,17,18,19,20,21,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32 ,33,
129: 12,18,19,20,21,22,
130: 21,22,23,

[finga]

Crikey. A lot of numbers there.
One day I may appreciate the effort you've put in and what all the numbers mean Owen.
Hopefully that day will be soon :)

[Owen]

OK,
Been doing a bit more work on this.

It's now at a useable state. (Though it's not pretty and far from finished)

You can

colour areas
delete mistakes
save projects
load projects (you have to manually load the background image again)
print the weave sheet
It now shows consequetive numbers as 1..5 instead of 1,2,3,4,5I have now put a username and password requirement on the web site.
To download it you will have to PM me first.
The file is also time limited.

enjoy ;D

http://www.dare.id.au/dare/projects/

[Owen]

Here's one we prepared earlier ;D
I know the face....

2 layers
91 x 41

A few extra colours added to the fins for detail without requiring an extra layer.

Oh... forgot.
I haven't added code to show colour changes / layer changes yet, so the layout below would require working that out to be useable.

Not sure of the best way to do so.
The easiest way is to make the font the same colour as the thread on the layout print. However, not everyone has a colour printer.

Any ideas??????

Also the grid lines on the attached picture do not indicate the actual grid. They are probably every ten threads. It's an anomoly on the preview pane.
(That's coder talk for "buggered if I know")



1: 21,23..24,
2: 20..21,24..26,
3: 20..22,25..27,
4: 19..28,
5: 18..28,
6: 17..29,
7: 15..16,18..30,
8: 15,19..30,
9: 14..16,18..31,
10: 14..32,
11: 14..32,
12: 14..33,
13: 13..33,
14: 13..34,
15: 12..34,
16: 12..35,
17: 12..29,31..35,
18: 11,13..27,30..36,
19: 11..12,14..24,27..36,
20: 10..13,16..22,24..37,
21: 10..15,23..37,
22: 9..38,
23: 9..38,
24: 9..39,
25: 8..39,
26: 8..39,
27: 7..17,19..40,
28: 5..40,
29: 3..15,17..40,
30: 3..16,18..40,
31: 2..14,16,18..40,
32: 1..13,15..16,18..40,
33: 2..13,15..16,18..34,36..40,
34: 2..13,15..17,19..34,36..41,
35: 1..12,14..17,19..32,35..41,
36: 1..18,20..32,34..41,
37: 1..11,13..18,22..30,33..40,
38: 2..11,13..20,23..28,31..40,
39: 2..10,12..22,29..39,
40: 2..9,11..38,
41: 3..8,10..32,
42: 3..7,9..39,
43: 5..39,
44: 6..39,
45: 7..39,
46: 8..38,
47: 8..38,
48: 8..38,
49: 8..9,17..38,
50: 8,10..11,13..15,19..25,38,
51: 8,10..17,27..37,39,
52: 8..21,24..39,
53: 7..39,
54: 7..39,
55: 6..39,
56: 6..40,
57: 5..40,
58: 5..41,
59: 6..41,
60: 7..41,
61: 8..41,
62: 8..41,
63: 9..41,
64: 10..40,
65: 11..40,
66: 12..40,
67: 13..39,
68: 14..39,
69: 15..19,25..38,
70: 17..18,21..24,26..38,
71: 18,20..37,
72: 20..36,
73: 20..33,
74: 20..31,
75: 19..31,
76: 19..28,30..31,
77: 18..24,29..32,
78: 18..19,25..32,
79: 17..18,20..32,
80: 17,19..32,
81: 17..33,
82: 17..33,
83: 17..33,
84: 18..33,
85: 19..34,
86: 19..33,
87: 20..32,
88: 22..32,
89: 23..31,
90: 24..30,
91: 26..28,

[Owen]

I have added the necessary code to show colour changes on multiple layer weaves.
i.e. It will print the left list in the colour of the thread in use at any point in the weave.
This in turn creates problems in that
1: Not everyone has a colour printer
2: If the thread colour is light (or white) then it won't show up on white paper

I'm thinking of adding a symbol of some sort to denote a colour/layer change.
Does anyone have any thoughts on what would be the best all round method?

http://www.dare.id.au/dare/projects/

[Owen]

I've decided to put a special character in the left list any time there is a colour change. It will now show a copyright symbol © when there is a colour/layer change.

I've nutted out a few bugs in the output. With so many possible permutations it's taken me a while to find some logic that fits them all.

Logic after a full days work is hard to come by ;)

I've also started a mailing list so any suggestions, bug reports etc can be done there rather than here.

Each version will now display a version number & expiry date.


Here's one I did of a shark.

4 layers
166 x 65

3 shades of grey, white & black required.



1: ©9,
2: ©9..10,
3: ©9..11,
4: ©9..11,©..12,
5: ©10..11,©12..14,
6: ©10..11,©12..14,
7: ©10..11,©12..15,
8: ©11,©12..15,
9: ©11,©12..15,©..16,
10: ©12..15,©16..18,©44..45,
11: ©12..15,©16..19,©43..45,
12: ©12..15,©16..21,©42..45,
13: ©13..15,©16..22,©41..45,
14: ©13..15,©16..24,©39,©40..44,
15: ©14..15,©16..26,©38..39,©40..44,
16: ©15,©16..28,©36..39,©40..44,
17: ©15,©16..29,©34..39,©40..42,©..43,
18: ©16..29,©30,©31..39,©40..41,©42..43,
19: ©17..29,©30,©31..39,©40..42,
20: ©17..29,©30,©31..38,©39..41,
21: ©18..29,©30,©31..37,©38..41,
22: ©19..29,©30,©31..36,©37..40,
23: ©20..29,©30,©31..35,©36..39,
24: ©21..29,©30,©31..34,©35..38,
25: ©21..29,©30,©31..33,©34..38,
26: ©22..29,©30,©31..33,©34..37,
27: ©23..29,©30..32,©33,©34..36,
28: ©24..29,©30..32,©33,©34..35,
29: ©25..29,©30..32,©33,©..34,
30: ©26..29,©30..33,
31: ©26..29,©30..33,
32: ©27..29,©30..32,
33: ©28..29,©30..32,
34: ©28..29,©30..32,
35: ©28..29,©30..32,
36: ©28..29,©30..32,
37: ©28..29,©30..32,©..33,
38: ©28..29,©30..32,©..33,
39: ©28..29,©30..32,©..33,
40: ©28..29,©30..32,©..33,
41: ©28..29,©30..32,©..33,
42: ©28..29,©30..32,©33,©..34,
43: ©27,©28..29,©30..32,©33,©34..35,
44: ©27,©28..29,©30..32,©33,©34..36,
45: ©26..27,©28..29,©30..32,©33,©34..36,
46: ©25..27,©28..29,©30..32,©33..34,©35..36,
47: ©25..27,©28..29,©30..32,©33..34,©..35,
48: ©24..26,©27..29,©30,©31..32,©33..34,©..35,
49: ©23..26,©27..29,©30,©31..32,©33..34,©..35,
50: ©23..26,©27..29,©30,©31..32,©33..34,©..35,
51: ©23..26,©27..29,©30,©31..32,©33..34,©..35,
52: ©24..26,©27..29,©30,©31..32,©33..34,©..35,
53: ©24..26,©27..29,©30,©31..33,©34,©35..36,
54: ©24..26,©27..29,©30,©31..33,©34..35,©..36,
55: ©24..26,©27..28,©29..30,©31..34,©35,©..36,
56: ©23..26,©27..28,©29..30,©31..34,©35..36,©..37,
57: ©23..26,©27..28,©29..31,©32..34,©35..36,©..37,
58: ©23..26,©27..28,©29..31,©32..34,©35..36,©..37,
59: ©22..26,©27..28,©29..32,©33..34,©35..36,©..37,
60: ©22..26,©27..28,©29..32,©33..34,©35..36,©..37,
61: ©22..26,©27..28,©29..32,©33..34,©35..36,©37..38,
62: ©22..26,©27..28,©29..32,©33..35,©36,©37..39,
63: ©22..26,©27..28,©29..34,©35,©36,©37..39,
64: ©21..25,©26..28,©29..34,©35,©36..37,©38..40,
65: ©21..25,©26..28,©29..34,©35..36,©37,©38..42,
66: ©21..25,©26..27,©28..34,©35..36,©37..38,©39..44,
67: ©21..25,©26..27,©28..34,©35..36,©37..39,©40..45,
68: ©21..25,©26..27,©28..35,©36..37,©38..39,©40..46,
69: ©20..24,©25..27,©28..35,©36..37,©38..40,©41..46,
70: ©20..24,©25..27,©28..35,©36..38,©39..40,©41..45,
71: ©20..24,©25..26,©27..35,©36..38,©39..40,©41..45,
72: ©20..23,©24..26,©27..36,©37..39,©40,©41..44,
73: ©20..23,©24..26,©27..36,©37..39,©40..41,©42,©..43,
74: ©19..23,©24..26,©27..37,©38..39,©40..43,
75: ©19..22,©23..26,©27..37,©38..39,©40..43,
76: ©19..22,©23..25,©26..37,©38..39,©40..43,
77: ©19..22,©23..25,©26..37,©38..39,©40..42,
78: ©19..22,©23..25,©26..38,©39..40,©41..42,
79: ©18..22,©23..25,©26..38,©39..42,
80: ©18..22,©23..25,©26..38,©39..43,
81: ©18..22,©23..24,©25..37,©38..43,
82: ©18..21,©22..24,©25..37,©38..43,
83: ©18..21,©22..24,©25..37,©38..43,
84: ©17..21,©22..24,©25..37,©38..43,
85: ©16,©17..20,©21..23,©24..37,©38..43,
86: ©16,©17..20,©21..23,©24..37,©38..43,
87: ©15..16,©17..20,©21..23,©24..37,©38..44,
88: ©13,©14..16,©17..20,©21..23,©24..37,©38..44,
89: ©10..13,©14..16,©17..19,©20..22,©23..38,©39,©40,©4 1..44,
90: ©8..13,©14..16,©17..19,©20..22,©23..38,©39,©40,©41 ..44,
91: ©5..13,©14..16,©17..19,©20..22,©23..38,©39,©40,©41 ..44,
92: ©1..13,©14..16,©17..19,©20..22,©23..37,©38..39,©40 ,©41..44,
93: ©1..13,©14..16,©17..19,©20..21,©22..37,©38..39,©40 ,©41..44,
94: ©2..13,©14..16,©17..18,©19..21,©22..37,©38..39,©40 ..41,©42..44,
95: ©3..13,©14..16,©17..18,©19..20,©21..38,©39,©40..41 ,©42..44,
96: ©4..13,©14..16,©17..18,©19..20,©21..38,©39,©40..41 ,©42..44,
97: ©4..13,©14..16,©17,©18..20,©21..37,©38,©39..41,©42 ..44,
98: ©5..13,©14..16,©17,©18..19,©20..37,©38,©39..42,©43 ..44,
99: ©6..13,©14..16,©17,©18..19,©20..37,©38,©39..42,©43 ..44,
100: ©8..13,©14..16,©17,©18..19,©20..37,©38,©39..42,©43 ..44,
101: ©9..13,©14..16,©17,©18..20,©21..37,©38,©39..42,©43 ..44,
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[Owen]

Update just released.
A few bug fixes with image resizing and some changes added.

[Owen]

Here's another pattern I'm adding to the library.

I've just found out that whilst fixing one bug, I've broken another bit so I've temporarily taken the files off the server.

[Owen]

Files are once again available.

I need some feedback from experienced weavers with regards to layers


As part of the information it generates I want to show a list detailing each design thread colour on each layer.

As I'm not an experienced weaver, I'm not sure what is the most intuitive way to display this information on a sheet of paper for people to follow in conjunction with the left list that will be generated.
For example, say we have a weave with say one layer & 10 design threads.
It may be a simple sillohette with only one colour, or it may have 10 different colour threads.
Either way it's fairly simple to map out.
1: Colour 1
2: Colour 2
3: Colour 3
4: Colour 4
etc
But what about multi layer weaves?
I could just do the same thing again for each layer.
How do we determine which layer goes on the rod first?

Does the layer has the highest number of design threads goes down first,
Then the next highest number etc etc?
Do we try to arrange the threads so that the first layer down contains the last colours used?
Does the layer with the most design threads of different colours go down first?

any help would be appreciated, Thanks

[Owen]

I've just posted the latest version for testing.
This is getting close to a release version.
All are welcome to download it and try it out.

http://www.dare.id.au/dare/projects/

[finga]

Gidday Owen,
Is your software able to do different types of script or if a signature is scanned and used??
I really wished I knew what all the nice numbers meant?? :'(

[Owen]

Scott,
What the software does is allow you to load an image behind a grid.
The grid represents the threads on a weave.
The up & down columns represent the wrap thread (the continuous one that wraps around the rod) and the rows across represent the design threads (which are taped longtitudinally on the rod and form the actual finished design).

By filling in the squares on the grid, you create a pseudo image of the picture you used that can be reconstructed in thread.
The programme then creates a "Left List" which is all the numbers.

You start wrapping your thread over all the design threads.
The the left list tells you which design threads to place on the "Left" of the wrap thread. Thus these threads are not wrapped over at this point.
When you later take them back over and wrap over them, they will be exposed for the number of turns that they were not being wrapped over.
i.e. Anything on the left will be seen on the final weave. Anything on the right gets covered by wrap thread.

So a line that says

1: 12,13
Means on the first rotation we place threads 12 & 13 to the left then do one turn of the rod.

2: 12,13,16..24
would mean on the 2nd revolution we leave 12&13 on the left ad bring over all threads from 16 to 24 and turn the rod once.

3: 12,13,16..18,20..24

we leave 12,13 & 16 to 18 on left. we bring back 19 to right and we leave 20 to 24 on left

To do letters or script is no different.
All you have to remember is that your weave will be just like a computer image with "pixels". The more pixels you have, the more detail you can put in and the better it'll look. My head is low resolution for example :(


There is some good info here
http://shop.mudhole.com/Rod-Building-101

I'm a novice at this myself, but I saw a need fo some dedicated software to make it easier to do layouts than using graph paper.
As evidenced by my shark weave it doesn't make up for experience and knowing what combinations work.

[Owen]

Version 0.1.1.26 just posted.
I've now sorted the left list in order of the most threads of any colour used in the design.

You can also sort the colours by name or colour gradient. The gradient groups similar shades together, although sometimes because all windows colours are an integer number representing the red,green & blue components, the results aren't 100% what you'd expect.
i.e. Not every colour that we perceive as a shade of orange will be together.

Loading an image is no longer mandatory (or required at all if you like).

Getting close to a version 1.0 release now.
A few more interface fixes and so forth and a help file to come.
As it now stands it should be quite useable.

[Stuart]

Owen

How big is each square in mm? Can you centre the picture to your desired number? Is their any limit to how much thread you can have in terms of length and breadth? Can you alter the fish in certain areas like make the belly a bit fatter, make the gills a bit thicker, stretch out the fish a few more mm and so on.

Stuart

[Owen]

Stuart,
How big is each square in mm?
Each square repesents one thread, be it design or wrap. I've taken the advertised sizes from the gudebrod site to get the calculations for the overall wrap size. It'd probably be more accurate to lay down 20 or 30 threads in both design & wrap and do an average. I haven't bothered making the grid squares recangular instead of square if you use A design & D wrap for instance.

Can you centre the picture to your desired number?
I'd have no, not in the programme itself. Any image manipulation should be done by a dedicated image software package prior to importing. i.e. You should crop all excess and ensure that your image is both big enough & has enough resolution to work how you want it.
Is their any limit to how much thread you can have in terms of length and breadth?
Not really. I guess at some point the grid would contain so much data that your computer would take a week to load it.

Can you alter the fish in certain areas like make the belly a bit fatter, make the gills a bit thicker, stretch out the fish a few more mm and so on.

The image is nothing more than a background upon which you draw. After you load it in, you can turn off the setting to maintain aspect ration and add or reduce the number of columns and/or rows. The image will stretch to fit, so you can make the whole thing fatter or whatever that way.
As for thing like the gills, well it's really up to the artist to fill in the grid in such a way as to be useful for the medium of thread.
Large images are best (e.g. 1200 x 800 pixels @ 600+ dpi).
If you enlarge a jpg off the web, then up the resolution as much as possible.
Irfanview is a good freeware programme fro resizing, cropping and such.
You don't have to follow the background image exactly. For that matter you don't have to use a background image at all if your artistic skills are up to it.


I'll probably add some code so you can add or delete rows and/or columns to any point in the grid, but at the moment they are added or deleted from the end of the grid.

At the end of the day, this won't do anything you can't do on graph paper. It will allow you to chop and change colours and lay it up a bit quicker and easier though.

[oddbudman]

Looks like you have put some effort into this owen.

What did you code it with? Do you work as a professional computer programmer?

cheers,
oddbudman

[Owen]

oddbudman,
I use Delphi 5 professional.
No I don't work as a professional programmer. I have written several custom business applications that integrate with our inventory & accounting package at work, so I suppose I was being paid to do it.

This probably has 100+ hours in it so far.
About 3,000 lines of code & counting.

[finga]

This probably has 100+ hours in it so far.
About 3,000 lines of code & counting.
Gees mate that's a lot of lost fishing time.
I don't think I wrote that many lines as a punishment in school :-/

[Knighty]

Owen,
Have you got this to a saleable state? had a go at your trial didnt have time to finsh one but it looks the goods can the image be moved to the bottom and left

[Owen]

Owen,
Have you got this to a saleable state? had a go at your trial didnt have time to finsh one but it looks the goods can the image be moved to the bottom and left


I'm making changes as time permits.
Just check the web site to see what version you have.
I have time limited all the trial versions, so you will have to download the latest to try use it anyway.

I will probably add code that allows the independant resizing & "nudging" of the background image in any direction. This will mainly be to allow you to line up important things like the eyes or fins etc with the grid cells.

I've said all along that you should do all the major image manipulation with proper image software.
i.e resize it, crop it, etc first.
I also find that if you use a filter effect like "oil paint" that's available in Irfanview it will reduce the number of individual colours in your picture sufficiently to make it easier to picture how it will look in thread.

Remember the grid represents exactly the area of the design. Where it ends up on the rod is determined by you when you decide which design thread is layed on the "vertical" axis of the rod.
This may not be the thread that's exactly half the number of horizontal (design) threads.